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Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:33 am Expression: And yet it was in some way... |
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. Yes, I think so-- but I really don't know what's going on in this passage. . _________________ Canadian-American native speaker who teaches English for a living at Mister Micawber's ESL cafe: Interview with Mr. Micawber |
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:12 am Expression: And yet it was in some way... |
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Thank you, MM, and I am sorry for the insufficient context. It seems the setting is a classroom and questions and answers between a teacher and students on history. The wholer part is like this:
--You, Cochrane, what city sent for him?
--Tarentum, sir.
--Very good. Well?
--There was a battle, sir.
--Very good. Where?
The boy's blank face asked the blank window.
Fabled by the daughters of memory. And yet it was in some way if not as memory fabled it. A phrase, then, of impatience, thud of Blake's wings of excess. I hear the ruin of all space, shattered glass and toppling masonry, and time one livid final flame. What's left us then?
--I forget the place, sir. 279 B. C.
--Asculum, Stephen said, glancing at the name and date in the gorescarred book.
--Yes, sir. And he said: ANOTHER VICTORY LIKE THAT AND WE ARE DONE FOR.
That phrase the world had remembered. A dull ease of the mind. From a hill above a corpsestrewn plain a general speaking to his officers, leaned upon his spear. Any general to any officers. They lend ear.
--You, Armstrong, Stephen said. What was the end of Pyrrhus?
--End of Pyrrhus, sir?
--I know, sir. Ask me, sir, Comyn said.
--Wait. You, Armstrong. Do you know anything about Pyrrhus?
A bag of figrolls lay snugly in Armstrong's satchel. He curled them between his palms at whiles and swallowed them softly. Crumbs adhered to the tissue of his lips. A sweetened boy's breath. Welloff people, proud that their eldest son was in the navy. Vico road, Dalkey.
--Pyrrhus, sir? Pyrrhus, a pier.
All laughed. Mirthless high malicious laughter. Armstrong looked round at his classmates, silly glee in profile. In a moment they will laugh more loudly, aware of my lack of rule and of the fees their papas pay. (The beginning part of Chapter II, Ulysses)
Thank you again!
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 15:18 pm Expression: And yet it was in some way... |
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| Quote: | | Fabled by the daughters of memory. And yet it was in some way if not as memory fabled it. A phrase, then, of impatience, thud of Blake's wings of excess. I hear the ruin of all space, shattered glass and toppling masonry, and time one livid final flame. |
Yipes-- Joyce! Are you sure you are getting any of this, Haihao?-- Not just 'as memory fabled it' but also the 'daughters of memory' and 'Blake's wings of excess'-- and probably the whole last sentence, all of which I think are literary/cultural references... and none of which I could elucidate with much clarity without further research of my own. . _________________ Canadian-American native speaker who teaches English for a living at Mister Micawber's ESL cafe: Interview with Mr. Micawber |
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:40 am Expression: And yet it was in some way... |
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Thank you for your indication, Mister Micawber. Just as you pointed out, actually I couldn't possibly read and understand it without making a lot of research, which takes me more time, maybe much more time, than the reading itself. But I really feel it's worth it and maybe that's what the wonderful book is meant to be.
I would just like to have your precious help at the time my own researching source dries up and I would appreciate it so very much as ever.
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:37 am Expression: And yet it was in some way... |
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. If you are serious about working your way through Ulysses, why don't you do what native students do?-- pick up a copy of Stuart Gilbert's 'James Joyce's Ulysses: A Study', an inexpensive paperback that very authoritatively outlines the chapters, their structure and significance. It is an invaluable exegesis. . _________________ Canadian-American native speaker who teaches English for a living at Mister Micawber's ESL cafe: Interview with Mr. Micawber |
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:59 am Expression: And yet it was in some way... |
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Thank you for the valuable information and I would try to get from Amazon the invaluable exegesis you recommended for the invaluable masterpiece.
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