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Should / Would into relative clause Wed Aug 15, 2007 17:06 pm  Should / Would into relative clause
 

In the sentence

"It's surprising that this restaurant ______ be so successful. The food isn't very good"

which is the correct:

"would" or "should" ?

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Should / Would into relative clause Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:09 am  Should / Would into relative clause
 

I think 'would' would be better here.

It's surprising that this restaurant would be so successful (now/in the future). The food isn't very good.

It's surprising that this restaurant would become so successful (now/in the future). The food isn't very good.

It's surprising because you don't know this restaurant would be so successful now/in the future.

(You think it lousy, and it's so surprising that now it would be so successful)

But we often use 'should' to express something rather possible, logical.

Henry should get here soon---he left home at 6.
We're spending the winter in Florida. 'That should/would be nice.'
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Should / Would into relative clause Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:48 am  Should / Would into relative clause
 

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'Should' and 'would' as conditional auxiliaries are essentially interchangeable. Either will serve in your sentence, jonifa.
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Should / Would into relative clause Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:26 am  Should / Would into relative clause
 

As what Mr. MM said, I have a check on 'would/should'. They are interchangeable sometimes in British English:

If I knew her name, I would/should tell you.
If we had a map, we would/should be able to get out of here.
(Pratical English Usage by Michael Swan 260.3)

And sometimes there's difference between 'would' and 'should':

If you should (not would)run into Peter, tell him he owes me a letter.
If he should (not would)be late, we will (not would)have to start without him.
(Pratical English Usage by Michael Swan 261.2)
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Should / Would into relative clause Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:36 am  Should / Would into relative clause
 

Hi Jonifa,

I would choose 'should' as it has a special sense here of was due to/was going to be ...

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Should / Would into relative clause Thu Aug 16, 2007 19:36 pm  Should / Would into relative clause
 

Hi, Mister Micawber

I just checked with my grammar book and they offer 2 possibilities:
Quote:
It's surprising that this restaurant is so successful. The food isn't very good
It's surprising that this restaurant should be so successful. The food isn't very good

They add that should intensifies the feeling of surprise
They say nothing about would though.
I guess it is a new language trend, isn't it? (Because my book is kind of old)
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Should / Would into relative clause Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:10 am  Should / Would into relative clause
 

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I guess it is a new language trend, isn't it?

Not really-- I'm sure that it is older than you.
Alan, as a BrE speaker, prefers 'should'. but HERE'RE 381,000 'would's, more or less.
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Should / Would into relative clause Thu Aug 23, 2007 0:00 am  Should / Would into relative clause
 

Quickliy scanning the first four or five pages of the results you have given above, I should guess that most of those 381,000 examples are in the third person and 'would' is correct. Other than as a synonym for 'ought to' [You should/ought to see the doctor about that cough] do Americans never use 'I/we should'?
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Should / Would into relative clause Thu Aug 23, 2007 0:10 am  Should / Would into relative clause
 

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Oh, sure-- I use both. I think it varies with the individual (or region?) though.
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