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#2 (permalink) Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:36 am Am I right? (We desire that the tour leader ... us immediately of any change) |
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| I'd go for A - it seems more logical to me :wink: |
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Lost_Soul I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#3 (permalink) Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:42 am Am I right? (We desire that the tour leader ... us immediately of any change) |
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Is that a "must" or a custom of usage? or if i speak the sentence using BCD will it sound ok? _________________ Try to change youself before you try to change others. |
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Aleaf I'm here quite often ;-)

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#4 (permalink) Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:45 am Am I right? (We desire that the tour leader ... us immediately of any change) |
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. Verbs of volition ('desire') still require the subjunctive (A - 'inform') in formal composition, though you may hear B occasionally in casual speech. C and D, as past tenses, do not work grammatically or semantically with the present tense 'desire'. . _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#5 (permalink) Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:45 am Am I right? (We desire that the tour leader ... us immediately of any change) |
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If the sentence just expresses the speaker's subjective desires which not necessarily come true. _________________ Try to change youself before you try to change others. |
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Aleaf I'm here quite often ;-)

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#6 (permalink) Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:47 am Am I right? (We desire that the tour leader ... us immediately of any change) |
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I've got it now. thanks so much :)) _________________ Try to change youself before you try to change others. |
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#7 (permalink) Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:10 am Am I right? (We desire that the tour leader ... us immediately of any change) |
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| Take a look at Amy's list of the verbs which might be used with the subjunctive :wink: |
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Lost_Soul I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#8 (permalink) Thu Aug 30, 2007 15:34 pm Am I right? (We desire that the tour leader ... us immediately of any change) |
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. Just a comment about my list: :wink:
There are other verbs and phrases that can be and are used with the present subjunctive. My list was intended as a guideline for some of the more common verbs and phrases that are sometimes used with the subjunctive. In addition, it should be mentioned that there are some fixed expressions that use the subjunctive (e.g. the expressions "So be it" and "Far be it from me to ...")
As MM has also mentioned, the use of the present subjunctive seems to be somewhat more common in American English than in British English. . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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