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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 5328 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA
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#3 (permalink) Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:36 pm Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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different strokes for different folks
I certainly don't think you need god to be happy but if they makes you happy go for it, my basic idea is live and let live , you can do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt others, you wanna get busy with a horse? No problem, just do it in your house (or barn) , you wanna shoot heroin? Go at it? You wanna believe that god was some dude that was crucified 2000 years ago and believe a book that was written and rewritten and translated and retranslated , go at it. |
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Boke I'm here quite often ;-)
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#4 (permalink) Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:40 pm Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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| Boke wrote: | | I certainly don't think you need god to be happy but if they makes you happy go for it, my basic idea is live and let live , you can do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt others, you wanna get busy with a horse? No problem, just do it in your house (or barn) , you wanna shoot heroin? Go at it? You wanna believe that god was some dude that was crucified 2000 years ago and believe a book that was written and rewritten and translated and retranslated , go at it. |
The problem is that some thing you think don't hurt others are very damaging to other people. I can show you many people whose lives were irreparably damaged by the fact that their mothers were shooting heroin. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 5328 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA
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#5 (permalink) Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:43 pm Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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| I think most of us would agree that a mother shooting heroin is hurting others, its the other more difficult topics , homosexuals, recreational drug use, suicide, ect.. |
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Boke I'm here quite often ;-)
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#6 (permalink) Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:50 pm Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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| Recreational drug use supports criminal enterprises that oppress and murder people all the way along the supply chain, so you are hurting others when you do it, even if you can't see the people right in front of your face. A person who commits suicide causes problems for his family, for the people close to him, and for the people who have to clean up his mess. Almost everything that's traditionally considered immoral hurts someone, and your type of moral relativism is an untenable position. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 5328 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA
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#7 (permalink) Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:34 am Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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In terms of numbers alchohol and tobacco kill more people worldwide than any other drug, a huge majority of people around the world are addicted to caffeine , next time you wake up try not drinking that morning coffee see what happens its called withdrawal. Why don't these drugs support criminal enterprises?Why don't these drugs oppress and murder people along the supply chain? Because they're legal, the drugs themselves and the consumption of those drugs do not support criminal activity its the law that brings about these situations, the law makes these drugs more expensive (and hence more profitable) which leads to them being produced and supplied by criminal organinizations and the murders of people. If you want to end the murder of all those people along the supply chain wouldn't be more feasible to legalize and regualte the drug use? Then the prices of those drugs would plummet to levels where criminal organizations would not participate in the drug trade, why would they?There's no profit to be had, anyone that would want the drugs would go to licensed store and buy it legally, afterall thats what they do with alchohol and tobacco, thats what they do with Prozac and Ritalin.
What's traditionally immoral? Did you decide that for us?Did your God decide that for me? There's a lot of different cultures on this forum and I would guess that a lot of your "traditional morals" don't relate to them. Do you wear clothing that reveals your ankles? Well at one time it was "traditionally immoral" to do so but guess what? Times changed.
Your thinking is my morals are correct. My values are correct. So everyone, lets be good little people and follow MY morals and values.Thank you.
Who decided these "morals"? |
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Boke I'm here quite often ;-)
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#8 (permalink) Tue Oct 30, 2007 21:11 pm Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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I think it's really important to believe in god and for me it's considered as a way to happiness cuz if we dont' believe of him who created all of us we won't feel happy , and we won't be saticfied at all |
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*Delta* You can meet me at english-test.net
Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 83
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#9 (permalink) Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:15 am Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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| I am an atheist and for me, every God out there is nothing but a mere creation of men. |
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BuddhaGeo You can meet me at english-test.net

Joined: 21 Dec 2007 Posts: 67 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia
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#10 (permalink) Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:02 am Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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| BuddhaGeo wrote: | | I am an atheist and for me, every God out there is nothing but a mere creation of men. |
Most atheists believe in God. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 5328 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA
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#11 (permalink) Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:58 am Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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Most people who believe in God, does so not because they want to be happy, but because they want to believe in what is true... _________________ Learning is a sacred engagement. |
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Ahmadov I'm here quite often ;-)

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#12 (permalink) Wed Dec 26, 2007 16:38 pm Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | BuddhaGeo wrote: | | I am an atheist and for me, every God out there is nothing but a mere creation of men. |
Most atheists believe in God. |
That's even more stupid than saying that most deaf people can hear. |
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BuddhaGeo You can meet me at english-test.net

Joined: 21 Dec 2007 Posts: 67 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia
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#13 (permalink) Wed Dec 26, 2007 16:50 pm Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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| BuddhaGeo wrote: | | Jamie (K) wrote: | | BuddhaGeo wrote: | | I am an atheist and for me, every God out there is nothing but a mere creation of men. |
Most atheists believe in God. |
That's even more stupid than saying that most deaf people can hear. |
Actually, it's not stupid. If you listen to debates with leading, outspoken atheists (such as those between Dinesh D'Souza and various atheists), it starts to become very clear that these guys actually believe in God but try to keep their belief suppressed. It's so obvious. Also, it's common knowledge among nurses that almost all atheists -- even the really hardcore ones -- start praying a lot when they become very sick and close to death. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 5328 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA
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#14 (permalink) Wed Dec 26, 2007 17:06 pm Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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I'm an atheist, and I don't believe in any sort of God. And I am not suppressing my beliefs. For me, Zeus, your God, Allah, Jupiter, Mars and the Flying Spaghetti Monster are all the same. And if I ever become religious when dying, I'd choose the Flying Spaghetti Monster, for he is the only true creator. May his benevolence bestow upon you.
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BuddhaGeo You can meet me at english-test.net

Joined: 21 Dec 2007 Posts: 67 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia
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#15 (permalink) Wed Dec 26, 2007 17:15 pm Do we need to believe in God to be happier? |
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| BuddhaGeo wrote: | I'm an atheist, and I don't believe in any sort of God. And I am not suppressing my beliefs. For me, Zeus, your God, Allah, Jupiter, Mars and the Flying Spaghetti Monster are all the same. And if I ever become religious when dying, I'd choose the Flying Spaghetti Monster, for he is the only true creator. May his benevolence bestow upon you. |
You're making one of D'Souza's points, which is that atheists are not really unbelievers but actually God-haters. They make fun of people's belief in God by engaging in various forms of derisive satire. It's a way of shouting down the doubts in their heads. I don't believe in leprechauns, but I don't make up weird jokes about them, because there's no nagging voice inside me telling me that they might exist. I also don't believe in aromatherapy, but I don't run around making fun of that, because I don't have any uncomfortable, suppressed belief that it could be real. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 5328 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA
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