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A new meaning? #1 (permalink) Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:41 am   A new meaning?
 

Hi,

Since smoking has been banned in the UK since the summer of this year in all enclosed public places, people who want to smoke now have to go outside to do this. As a result a certain camaraderie has developed among smokers as they gather outside and talk to each other and also flirt with one another. Smoking and flirting have now produced this 'new' word - smirking.

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A new word? #2 (permalink) Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:02 am   A new word?
 

I thought "smirking" was already a word.
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A new word? #3 (permalink) Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:03 am   A new word?
 

There's soon going to be a fight between definitions 1 and 2 for "smirking".

(or "smirk")
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A new word? #4 (permalink) Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:49 am   A new word?
 

(of course... the word itself is a clever one)
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A new meaning? #5 (permalink) Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:53 am   A new meaning?
 

"Smirk" is already a word. It's a small, sarcastic smile.

The British could have invented instead the word "smirting", which would be similar to the Czech word "smrt", which means death. I think that's a better word for flirting while smoking.

And hey, Prezbucky, my brother, my compatriot, did you know that when you post a different message for each portion of each of your thoughts, the rest of us get that many e-mails in our box? The other day I felt very popular, because I had more than 20 messages in one of my boxes. Half of them turned out to be portions of various things you had to say. Very Happy
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A new meaning? #6 (permalink) Thu Jan 03, 2008 18:18 pm   A new meaning?
 

Hi,

As I thought I explained but the message seems to have disappeared, a better heading would be: a new meaning.

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A new meaning? #7 (permalink) Wed Jan 09, 2008 22:13 pm   A new meaning?
 

I'm just thinking of two people smirking at each other because they have been able to sneak out of that restaurant where nobody is allowed to smoke. It's not quite clear what they are so happy about -- the fact that they can flirt or the freedom to smoke a cigarette.

Early this year a nationwide smoking ban was introduced in Germany and now all public places should be smoke-free. To me this still sounds too good to be true and really look forward to my next visit to a pub or restaurant because I hate that smell of stale cigarette smoke.

What about you -- do you think it is right to ban smokers from pubs, bars and other places?
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A new meaning? #8 (permalink) Wed Jan 09, 2008 22:33 pm   A new meaning?
 

Torsten wrote:
Early this year a nationwide smoking ban was introduced in Germany and now all public places should be smoke-free. To me this still sounds too good to be true and really look forward to my next visit to a pub or restaurant because I hate that smell of stale cigarette smoke.

What about you -- do you think it is right to ban smokers from pubs, bars and other places?

As a militant anti-smoking fanatic, I have a fascist side that loves those bans.

I especially wanted them in Europe, because in some European countries people smoke so much that after sitting in a normal restaurant for an hour, you're stinkier than if you spent the whole evening in a neighborhood bar in my town here in the States.
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A new meaning? #9 (permalink) Wed Jan 09, 2008 23:49 pm   A new meaning?
 

Hi Torsten,

It adds a whole new pleasure to eating out when there is no smoking allowed. We used to cower in no smoking areas in eating places before the ban but of course the smoke took no notice and permeated the whole place. Hope you enjoy your first smoke free meal out soon!

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A new meaning? #10 (permalink) Thu Jan 10, 2008 0:10 am   A new meaning?
 

I think it makes far more sense (the ban) in restaurants than it does in bars/pubs.

I wonder what pubs/bars think about it -- how much business will it cost them?

A goodly percentage of pub denizens here in the States are smokers. Down here it might not be such a huge deal to step outside to smoke, but imagine the plight of the smoker in Wisconsin. hehe

Seriously, I think that the decision should be up to business owners.

Nobody forces workers to work at establishments that allow smoking, nor is anyone forced to drink/dine at them. The market will tell the owner if his/her decision to ban or allow smoking was a good one.
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A new meaning? #11 (permalink) Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:14 am   A new meaning?
 

In Michigan, the business owners even balked at having to provide no-smoking sections at all, back when they were first required. Of course, they claimed they'd lose business. At the beginning, nonsmokers had the same experience that Alan describes -- cowering in the no-smoking section and having the smoke home in on you.

Over the years, evidently due to popular demand, the no-smoking sections in most restaurants got bigger and bigger until some proprietors just decided, "To hell with it!" and made their entire restaurants smoke-free. The few smoke-free bars are really packed, and I seldom smell any smoke at all in a restaurant anymore.
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A new meaning? #12 (permalink) Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:32 am   A new meaning?
 

I don't smoke but I know salespeople and playboys who use cigarettes and lighters as a way to break the ice and get a good sale or connection
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A new meaning? #13 (permalink) Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:21 am   A new meaning?
 

prezbucky wrote:
I think it makes far more sense (the ban) in restaurants than it does in bars/pubs.

I wonder what pubs/bars think about it -- how much business will it cost them?

A goodly percentage of pub denizens here in the States are smokers. Down here it might not be such a huge deal to step outside to smoke, but imagine the plight of the smoker in Wisconsin.

I used to think the same until the smoking ban was introduced to Ireland. Of all places in the EU, we were the first to introduce the ban! You can't take your drinks outside either, so the ban caused a minor public outcry. But after a few weeks people got used to it, and smoking outside lead to a boost of communication outside pubs, fights and beer gardens being built in the back to suit the smokers. Since they make you pay 2000 Euro if you do smoke, the ban was accepted pretty soon. Today there are as much as 50 per cent less smokers in the country, including myself.
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A new meaning? #14 (permalink) Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:33 pm   A new meaning?
 

Boke wrote:
I don't smoke but I know salespeople and playboys who use cigarettes and lighters as a way to break the ice and get a good sale or connection

When I was in my teens and early 20s, I ran into salesmen who tried to use pot for that. They'd made the wrong assumption based on how I looked, so that particular technique didn't work on me.
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A new meaning? #15 (permalink) Thu Jan 10, 2008 18:21 pm   A new meaning?
 

Jamie (K) wrote:
Boke wrote:
I don't smoke but I know salespeople and playboys who use cigarettes and lighters as a way to break the ice and get a good sale or connection

When I was in my teens and early 20s, I ran into salesmen who tried to use pot for that. They'd made the wrong assumption based on how I looked, so that particular technique didn't work on me.

Your comment sounds pretty intriguing, Jamie. Reading between the lines I reckon that you were about 20 in the late 60s, and that people looking at you may have taken you for a bit of a hippie. That right?
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