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know in the Past Perfect Continuous #1 (permalink) Sun Jan 06, 2008 18:43 pm   know in the Past Perfect Continuous
 

Hi,

I stumbled upon this sentence in a book I'm reading:
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On the day the Paulsons' house burned, Ruth realized that she had been knowing things she had no right to know for a week or more


Now, this tells me that we can use know in the Perfect Continuous tenses, but my textbook gives me to understand that only want and mean can be used in that group of the English tenses.

The short and long of it, do you find the cited sentence natural ? Would you say something like that?

Thanks!
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know in the Past Perfect Continuous #2 (permalink) Sun Jan 06, 2008 19:08 pm   know in the Past Perfect Continuous
 

Hi,

In the sense of 'have knowledge of', this construction - 'had been knowing' strikes me as very unnatural because the meaning of 'know' here is in itself a verb that suggests a continuous concept. It would be simpler to say: 'she had known (about) things' Some verbs that do not usually have a continuous use can take a continuous form when the meaning is different from the first meaning. 'See' is an example. Usually this is used in the simple form when it means observe something with your eyes but if you use the verb to mean visiting/dating/getting to know someone, it can be used in the continuous form as in: They have been seeing each each for some time now.

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know in the Past Perfect Continuous #3 (permalink) Sun Jan 06, 2008 21:30 pm   know in the Past Perfect Continuous
 

Hi, Alan

Thanks for your explanation !
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know in the Past Perfect Continuous #4 (permalink) Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:50 am   know in the Past Perfect Continuous
 

When I read the sentence, I understood "had been knowing" to mean that the woman had been receiving information or getting telepathic revelations. Somehow information was coming to her. So that odd usage of "know" is more about receiving the information than about having it.
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know in the Past Perfect Continuous #5 (permalink) Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:50 am   know in the Past Perfect Continuous
 

Hi, Jamie

Yes, your theory about the telepathic way of getting information holds water - she had really been doing that. :)
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know in the Past Perfect Continuous #6 (permalink) Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:04 am   know in the Past Perfect Continuous
 

Hi,

I feel that suggesting 'had been knowing' indicates receiving telepathic information is stretching it a bit. If that was the intended meaning, I would at least add 'about'.

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