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Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:23 am Comment? No such. |
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Hello! At this late time, trying to fall asleep, I was thinking about my own country and how disastrous it is for one young, aspiring individual, who actually wants something from his life, to live here - this dump, rather than a country - Bulgaria. We recently joined the European Union... Now every second person proudly calls himself an European... Ha-ha! Bullshit! 95% of the people are corrupted. It can be seen EVERYWHERE - schools, streets, buses, parks, yards, even the institutions' buildings... We are going from bad to worse. Nobody gives a dime about the others, their thoughts, feelings, especially the latter. Everyone gets treated like a piece of garbage... Instead of actually studying at schools, the students' minds are incessantly obsessed with these subjects: booze, sex, drugs, party. It is disgusting, believe me. Let's not discuss the literacy - you should see a Bulgarian forum, where, allegedly, there ought to be some order, the language should be somewhat fluent, alas, NO! An enormous amount of my contemporaries (I am currently 17) have a vague idea of literate writing and speaking. Speaking - yes, because 99,9% of the people use slang, they, on purpose, omit many letters. Yes, it does happen in other languages as well, but, trust me, it is not that vivid as here, in Bulgaria. Lies, trying to stab a knife into someone's back, whenever they see a chance to extract profit from that - that's how it is like here. Even the politicians, oh yes, those bastards - only chit-chatting in front of the cameras to throw sand into people's eyes, to convince them in the unbelievable, and only to gain more and more for themselves. Damn you! And the wanna-be politicians, who claim they will somehow, miraculously fix this chaos? Same breed, different mother, I'd say. Let's get back to the students - "the all mighty prosperous kids" who flee the country for a better wage? I am rolling on the floor laughing. Not only don't they know a single word of the language which is spoken in the country they are going to (a huge amount of them), but they also consider themselves successful... Just one advice - if you ever happen to have some sort of relation with a bulgarian, have what I told you in mind. Good luck, EU...
Good night! Regards, Dimitar. _________________ If you find any typographical or grammatical errors in my post, please let me know. |
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SkiIucK I'm here quite often ;-)
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Mon Jan 28, 2008 22:40 pm Comment? No such. |
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SkiIucK, I think I know exactly (or at least more than less) how you feel! Since we (Poland) joined the European Usion I tend to be ashamed of being a Pole. That's a long story, but generally, when the pro/against EU voting took place, I voted pro, but, seeing how it all ended, I regret it from the bottom of my heart. I think all we brought to EU is disgrace! We're usually the only ones in the EU Committee that very often disagree with the majority, not for particular ideological reasons, but just to show that "We're here, we have our right to vote and we can disagree to anything, so we're doing it!". Of coruse, that's not always the case, but we're like a troublemaker in EU. As far as students and generally younger generation are cocnerned, I feel the same about you. There are thousends of Poles going to Ireland and UK to work without knowing English! Some didn't speak English at all! And for me it's a radiculous thing, because they'll never learn from their mistakes. Thousands of poeple who don't speak English go to England and then 99% of them come back with no money, but very often "beaten by life". And you can hear about it, but more and more people do the same thing. That's silly. The emmigration here is HUGE, and I really mean HUGE, so the unemployment rate decreases slightly, but continously. So if people have difficult life situations, they should look for jobs in Poland, because there are mor offers nowadays. We have hardly any plumbers, doctors, nurse, firemen, and drivers, because the vast majority went abroad to earn 5 times more than here. So you can see not only Bulgarians are stupid (sorry if this word is offensive, but I'm referring to Poles now).
By the way, congratulations with your great English skills and generally mental consciousness, considering your age! |
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Aro I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 13:09 pm Comment? No such. |
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Hi Aro and Dimitar,
I'm impressed by the way you two are analyzing the situation is your countries are in right now. If more people your age start to think about the world around them, they will be better off as a result.
Aro, I can understand your point of view regarding the fact that so many Poles are going to Ireland and the UK to work without knowing much English. However, I doubt that 99% of them return to Poland without money. You said that you have hardly any plumber, doctors, nurses, etc. because they went abroad to earn five times as much as they do in Poland. If so many Poles are earning such high salaries abroad how is it possible that 99% of them return to Poland without any money? Also, if want to work as a plumber in England you probably can get by with a very limited knowledge of English. _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 16:31 pm Comment? No such. |
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Torsten, I said 99% of those who go abroad without knowing English come back not long after, I didn't say that 99% of all Poles who go aborad come back soon, got it now? The vast majority of Poles who go to UK and Ireland have good, or at least decent knowledge of English. |
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Aro I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 20:42 pm Comment? No such. |
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Hi Aro,
Yes I see what you mean. Can you tell me where you got that number from -- 99%? I would figure that a non-EU citizen who manages to get a work permit in the UK is able to understand and write in English. Otherwise how can you get employed? Also, if 99% of all foreigners who work in the UK return to their native country, how long do you usually stay in the UK before they decide to leave? _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Torsten Site Admin

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Fri Feb 01, 2008 14:30 pm Comment? No such. |
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Torsten, my 99% was a bit of an exaggeration to show that the vast majority fail and come back "defeated", it's just a number made up by me. Besides... Well, Polish people ARE EU citizens you know...  It's hard to say how long Poles stay in UK and Ireland when they emmigrate. There are many people (mostly students) who go there just for holidays, and that is 3-4 months until October. Some go there on a permanent stay and never go back. Some fell for the promise of the huge economic boom in Poland during our recent parliamentary elections and come back after a year or two of being abroad. The numbers are wide actually and there's no real trend, so to speak. |
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Aro I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:05 am Comment? No such. |
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hi, Aro, do you really think that Poles fell for the promise of the second Ireland? I'd say it's the result of homesickness or for so many times used expression: patriotism. I know it sounds like a cliche but I just want to belive in better future for me in my own country. Oh, I may be naive as well... nevertheless, better to be optimistic than end up complaining and do absolutely nothing to improve the situations, at least around yourself. |
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Hopeless_Girl I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 13:33 pm Comment? No such. |
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| Quote: | | We are going from bad to worse. Nobody gives a dime about the others, their thoughts, feelings, especially the latter. Everyone gets treated like a piece of garbage... Lies, trying to stab a knife into someone's back, whenever they see a chance to extract profit from that - that's how it is like here. Even the politicians, oh yes, those bastards - only chit-chatting in front of the cameras to throw sand into people's eyes, to convince them in the unbelievable, and only to gain more and more for themselves. Damn you! And the wanna-be politicians, who claim they will somehow, miraculously fix this chaos? Same breed, different mother, I'd say. |
Finally - someone who sees it the way it is!!!
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MaRine I'm new here and I like it ;-)

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Fri Feb 08, 2008 23:20 pm Comment? No such. |
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| hopeless_girl wrote: | hi, Aro, do you really think that Poles fell for the promise of the second Ireland? I'd say it's the result of homesickness or for so many times used expression: patriotism. I know it sounds like a cliche but I just want to belive in better future for me in my own country. Oh, I may be naive as well... nevertheless, better to be optimistic than end up complaining and do absolutely nothing to improve the situations, at least around yourself. |
Someone with a nick like yours talking about optimism, well that's a real pardox!  I'm not sure how many of Poles in UK & ireland fell for Tusk's promise, but I've seen some intreviews with people saying they're considering going back to Poland because of the elections. Maybe it's because they fell for the promise, maybe they were happy to see "Duckinski" abolished, maybe they felt homesick, or maybe they had a sudden patriotic impulse, who knows. I'd say some fell for it, others have their own reasons to go back. |
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Aro I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:21 pm Comment? No such. |
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| I can be a pessimist about myself and believe in abilietes of other people at the same time. Maybe a paradox, but to think of it a little bit longer it make sense. |
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Hopeless_Girl I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 14:10 pm Comment? No such. |
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| Aro wrote: | SkiIucK, I think I know exactly (or at least more than less) how you feel! Since we (Poland) joined the European Usion I tend to be ashamed of being a Pole. That's a long story, but generally, when the pro/against EU voting took place, I voted pro, but, seeing how it all ended, I regret it from the bottom of my heart. I think all we brought to EU is disgrace! We're usually the only ones in the EU Committee that very often disagree with the majority, not for particular ideological reasons, but just to show that "We're here, we have our right to vote and we can disagree to anything, so we're doing it!". Of coruse, that's not always the case, but we're like a troublemaker in EU. As far as students and generally younger generation are cocnerned, I feel the same about you. There are thousends of Poles going to Ireland and UK to work without knowing English! Some didn't speak English at all! And for me it's a radiculous thing, because they'll never learn from their mistakes. Thousands of poeple who don't speak English go to England and then 99% of them come back with no money, but very often "beaten by life". And you can hear about it, but more and more people do the same thing. That's silly. The emmigration here is HUGE, and I really mean HUGE, so the unemployment rate decreases slightly, but continously. So if people have difficult life situations, they should look for jobs in Poland, because there are mor offers nowadays. We have hardly any plumbers, doctors, nurse, firemen, and drivers, because the vast majority went abroad to earn 5 times more than here. So you can see not only Bulgarians are stupid (sorry if this word is offensive, but I'm referring to Poles now).
By the way, congratulations with your great English skills and generally mental consciousness, considering your age! |
Hi, I must add my comment to this text because I'm not quite convicted to what you wrote. It's rather subjective, I may say. Everything changes and we cannot look only at an ideal model of a country which Poland, or any other country with historical tumultuous character and frequent changes in the government, is not, for sure. If we take a look on the politics and the economy and, what's more important, at the history of the previous governemnts, we'll easily get the point, analysing the decisions and effects they brought to a country.
We cannot expect that Poland or Bulgaria wil immediately catch up other European countries. We need gradual changes, not a miracle that our governemts promise to us. Notice that some members of UE have changed ( their economy, society situation etc.) after joining UE.
Aro, I don't get why are you ashamed of being a Pole. I'm a Pole (no, I'm not hoing to emigrate). I will never be ashamed of my country, nation- I can only be ashamed of people who represent them. There will always appear people full of hate and desires for money and good positions in the govement, which should be eliminated by people who have political awareness by going to polling stations and taking part in the political life ! The process of emigration to the UK is another eposide of the history of the UE and, however, it's, as you said, HUGE, but not something that we should be afraid of so much. I'm rather optimistic about the future of our country and the whole Europe Let's keep together, as we always do  _________________ absens carens
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