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Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:12 am Is "since 50 years ago" acceptable? |
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| Quote: | (I notice that one of the BrE natives in that thread was particularly dogmatic about the ungrammaticality of the structure. ) |
Yes, indeed! I'm surprised he didn't also try to claim the example from the NY Times was just a typo!
Did you also notice that the Canadians who posted there confirmed the usage as well? . |
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:14 am Is "since 50 years ago" acceptable? |
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The versions with "since" are understandable but completely unidiomatic. You should use "for".
I haven't played tennis for five months. I haven't been playing tennis for five months.
In this pair, the second is unusual. There is no need to be specific about the continuous aspect of a negative action, that is, the absence of an action.
http://www.englishforums.com/English/MonthsSinceMonths/cwvrh/Post.htm _________________ Thank you very much for your reply. |
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Sitifan I'm here quite often ;-)

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Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:17 am Is "since 50 years ago" acceptable? |
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My English Japanese dictionary says :
"Since X years ago" is a vulgar (non-standard) usage. It should be "for X years" in formal English, but many people use it errorneously.
http://www.englishforums.com/English/SinceAndAgo/bdvqz/Post.htm _________________ Thank you very much for your reply. |
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Sitifan I'm here quite often ;-)

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Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:55 am Is "since 50 years ago" acceptable? |
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Hello Sitifan,
I'm not sure it's as straightforward as the dictionary suggests – my impression from discussions on various ESL forums is that speakers who would usually pick up on non-standard usage don't necessarily object to "since X years ago".
My impression is also that AmE speakers tend to find the structure more comfortable than BrE speakers; though it does vary from speaker to speaker, and even from example to example.
For instance, as the EF threads show, the AmE poster CalifJim finds the structure unidiomatic, but CanE Clive doesn't mind it. Meanwhile, the BrE poster Milky objects strenuously in one of the threads, but appears to accept it in another. (I may well have done the same.)
Alan's comment exemplifies the synaptic discomfort that some speakers feel:
| Quote: | As for sentence 2, I can't get my head round it since the concept of 'since' and 'backwards from now' seem to clash.
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For some, "since" implies "during the period from then moving forwards to now"; while "ago" implies "from now moving backwards to then". There is thus a sense of zooming suddenly in and out.
For others, the phrase might break down as: "X years ago marks a certain point in the past; since X-years-ago marks the period from that point".
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Sat Aug 30, 2008 18:44 pm Is "since 50 years ago" acceptable? |
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| MrPedantic wrote: | Hello Sitifan, I'm not sure it's as straightforward as the dictionary suggests – my impression from discussions on various ESL forums is that speakers who would usually pick up on non-standard usage don't necessarily object to "since X years ago". MrP |
What does "pick up on" mean? I have consulted Longman Dictioanry of Phrasal Verbs and there is no such entry. _________________ Thank you very much for your reply. |
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Sitifan I'm here quite often ;-)

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Sat Aug 30, 2008 18:55 pm Is "since 50 years ago" acceptable? |
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Hi sitifan,
It means as much as 'continue' or 'take it from there'.
I'd like to pick up on what you said about bee keeping yesterdy. It opened a completely new dimension for me, and I would like to know where I should persue this peculiar hobby in order to get the best results for producing acacia honey. _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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Sat Aug 30, 2008 23:16 pm Is "since 50 years ago" acceptable? |
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| (I think I may have meant "pick up on" in a slightly different sense: "notice and comment on".) |
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MrPedantic I'm a Communicator ;-)
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