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Hi edwin,
I myself don´t think that any dictonary can offer an acceptable and convincing discription of capitalism or socialism as it always depends on what people make of it.
The best way for clarifying your issue might be having a look on nations which claim to adhere rigidly to the one or the other system.
If I´m allowed I´d like to add my personal opinion. For me, none of that two systems alone really can work.
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| #4 (permalink) Wed Jan 30, 2008 21:22 pm Socialism vs. Capitalism |
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| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: |
Hi edwin,
I myself don´t think that any dictonary can offer an acceptable and convincing discription of capitalism or socialism as it always depends on what people make of it.
The best way for clarifying your issue might be having a look on nations which claim to adhere rigidly to the one or the other system.
If I´m allowed I´d like to add my personal opinion. For me, none of that two systems alone really can work. |
Yeah, besides one has to remember that theory and practice very often don't come along, do they? Oh, labels... |
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| #5 (permalink) Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:53 am Socialism vs. Capitalism |
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As the saying goes:
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| Capitalism is the system under which man exploits man, whereas under communism it's vice versa. |
Here's what the Oxford American Dictionary says:
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capitalism
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
communism
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
• policy or practice based on this theory.
• (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism. |
You also need to know the word kleptocracy, which is the transitional social state between communism and the realization of capitalism. |
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| #6 (permalink) Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:13 am Socialism vs. Capitalism |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
communism
each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
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Is it just me or there's a mistake here? |
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| #7 (permalink) Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:40 am Socialism vs. Capitalism |
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Hi,
Another saying about communism:
What is the difference between Marx and Murks (whereat Murks is something like nonsense)?
Marx is the theory and Murks is the practice!
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| #8 (permalink) Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:51 am Socialism vs. Capitalism |
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| SkiIucK wrote: |
| Jamie (K) wrote: |
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each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
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Hi SkiIuck
They, them and their are very commonly used when the reference to 'a person' is not gender-specific. According to traditional prescriptive grammar, this is grammatically incorrect. So, this sort of usage of they, them and their -- despite long and widespread usage -- is often labeled as being "informal" rather than being "grammatically correct". Personally, I have no problem with this "singular" usage of they, them and their. I think it's high time the hard-core prescriptivists caught up with and accepted reality. ;-)
Here is what the American Heritage Dictionary has to say on the topic:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/22/T0162200.html
Here is what the Oxford Dictionary has to say on the topic:
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/they?view=uk
And here is a forum thread on the topic:
http://www.english-test.net/forum/ftopic16235.html
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| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: |
Hi,
Another saying about communism:
What is the difference between Marx and Murks (whereat Murks is something like nonsense)?
Marx is the theory and Murks is the practice! |
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Hi Michael
That joke really only works well if you know the German word 'Murks'. Since I've had some first-hand experience with Murks (and also with things being gemurkst), I thought your joke was hilarious.
By the way, if you search for the verb 'murksen' in the German dictionary at www.leo.org, there are no results! Hard to believe, isn't it? :shock: :lol:
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| #10 (permalink) Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:44 am Socialism vs. Capitalism |
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Hi Amy,
I also thought that "murks" is used by German speakers only but there seem to a be a few native English speakers who are familiar with the term too. At least that's what a couple of online dictionaries say.
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| #11 (permalink) Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:08 pm Socialism vs. Capitalism |
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Hi Torsten
I'd never heard the word Murks until I moved to Germany and heard it being used in German.
I'm familiar with the English words 'murky' and 'murk', of course, but to me these words don't even come close to conveying the same meaning that the German "Murks" conveys. In fact, I've always had a very hard time trying to adequately translate the German "Murks" and "murksen" into English.
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Hi, Jamie
I just visited the site - and look what I found there: What did you bring that book that I don't like to be read to out of up for?"
I'd sincerely thought that there can't be more that 3 prepositions in a row, but it proves that 5 is probably the limit :) |
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| #15 (permalink) Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:54 pm Socialism vs. Capitalism |
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| lost_soul wrote: |
I just visited the site - and look what I found there: What did you bring that book that I don't like to be read to out of up for?"
I'd sincerely thought that there can't be more that 3 prepositions in a row, but it proves that 5 is probably the limit :) |
Most native speakers would think that was an insane sentence -- which in no way means that they wouldn't produce it themselves. :D
However, you've only got four prepositions there. In this sentence, "up" is a verb particle. |
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