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"all passengers" vs "all the passengers"



 
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"all passengers" vs "all the passengers" #1 (permalink) Sun Feb 03, 2008 18:02 pm   "all passengers" vs "all the passengers"
 

My friend and I have argued about this problem but found no solution yet.
We considered whether "By the time the train left, all the passengers had been on board" or "By the time the train left, all passengers had been on board" was correct
I think "all the passengers" is right. In my opinion, the train is defined, so the passengers are defined too
But according to my friend, it should be "all passengers". He explained: "all passengers" means in general while "all the passengers" needs a phrase to modify more clearly, e.g., "All the passengers in the Titanic ship would never forget the disaster if they ever survived"
Please kindly help me.
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Should it be "all passengers" or "all the passengers" in this #2 (permalink) Sun Feb 03, 2008 18:22 pm   Should it be "all passengers" or "all the passengers" in this
 

Hi,

I think I'd come down in favour of your explanation - it is ineed 'all the passengers on the train.'

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Should it be "all passengers" or "all the passengers" in this #3 (permalink) Sun Feb 03, 2008 18:33 pm   Should it be "all passengers" or "all the passengers" in this
 

Oh thank you very much.
So now I can be sure to tell my friend the answer.
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"all passengers" vs "all the passengers" #4 (permalink) Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:11 am   "all passengers" vs "all the passengers"
 

Oh my god, help!
My friend says to me that if the passengers are defined, so it must be "all of the passengers", not "all the passengers"
But I think both are acceptable.
What are your opinions? Please help me
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"all passengers" vs "all the passengers" #5 (permalink) Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:05 am   "all passengers" vs "all the passengers"
 

Hi,

The addition of 'of' is simply more emphatic.

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"all passengers" vs "all the passengers" #6 (permalink) Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:25 am   "all passengers" vs "all the passengers"
 

Thank you very much indeed
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"all passengers" vs "all the passengers" #7 (permalink) Mon Feb 04, 2008 13:38 pm   "all passengers" vs "all the passengers"
 

Linh Bui Hoang wrote:
"All the passengers in the Titanic ship would never forget the disaster if they ever survived"
In addition to what I mentioned in your other thread (Is omitting "would" in this sentence right?), I'd like to point out that the negative version of "all of the" is "none of the". It would be more natural to use 'none' and 'ever' in this sentence. For example:
None of the survivors would ever forget this disaster.
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"all passengers" vs "all the passengers" #8 (permalink) Mon Feb 04, 2008 14:18 pm   "all passengers" vs "all the passengers"
 

Thanks very much for your advice
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