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#2 (permalink) Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:11 am Is your accent unbearable? |
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| In the United States, a foreign accent is an obstacle only if it's so strong that people have to work hard to understand you. If your speech is easy to understand, most people don't care about your accent. |
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#3 (permalink) Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:45 am Is your accent unbearable? |
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. I've seen that movie, too. You're right -- Penelope Cruz is very pretty, and she definitely has a Spanish accent, but her accent sounds neither weird nor freaky to me. She is easy to understand. So is Antonio Banderas.
Speaking of accents, the governor of California has a German accent. :wink: . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#4 (permalink) Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:49 am Is your accent unbearable? |
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| Yankee wrote: |
| Speaking of accents, the governor of California has a German accent. :wink: |
No! He's got an unmistakably AUSTRIAN accent!
Sometime in the 1990s, the head of the US armed forces (right below the president) had a Polish accent.
There have been many high-ranking US officials with foreign accents, sometimes quite heavy ones. |
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#5 (permalink) Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:21 am Is your accent unbearable? |
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| Speaking of accents, what is important is how you stress words ! I had a chance to speak to a New-Zealander once in my mother tongue on Skype. He said a word and wrongly stressed it and I was not able to understand it. Once he stressed it right, I instantly understood him. That's it! |
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#6 (permalink) Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:59 am Is your accent unbearable? |
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| When I lived in Europe, an Irishman came to the town where I lived once. His Irish dialect happened to be one of those in which the individual sounds were almost the same as the way they are pronounced in Midwestern US English. However, we American Midwesterners still had trouble understanding him sometimes because his sentence stress was so different. |
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#7 (permalink) Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:56 am Is your accent unbearable? |
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Hi,
On this matter of accents, I am always intrigued to know why Australians invariably make a statement sound as if it's a question. I believe this is described as using 'high rising terminals'. I wonder if this way of speaking is a sign of diffidence or uncertainty on the part of the speaker.
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#8 (permalink) Fri Feb 08, 2008 14:35 pm Is your accent unbearable? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Yankee wrote: |
| Speaking of accents, the governor of California has a German accent. :wink: |
No! He's got an unmistakably AUSTRIAN accent!
Sometime in the 1990s, the head of the US armed forces (right below the president) had a Polish accent.
There have been many high-ranking US officials with foreign accents, sometimes quite heavy ones. |
Yes, Jamie, the Governator is from Austria, but the language spoken in Austria is German, is it not? :wink: _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#9 (permalink) Fri Feb 08, 2008 14:43 pm Is your accent unbearable? |
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Hi,
There are parts of Switzerland where German is spoken but my word what a dialect and and when the German speaking Swiss speak English, you can tell a mile off where they come from.
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#10 (permalink) Fri Feb 08, 2008 15:25 pm Is your accent unbearable? |
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| Yankee wrote: |
| Yes, Jamie, the Governator is from Austria, but the language spoken in Austria is German, is it not? :wink: |
Sure, but the Germans don't have that funny way of pronouncing the name of his hometown of GrAAAAAAAAz. |
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#11 (permalink) Fri Feb 08, 2008 22:52 pm Is your accent unbearable? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Sometime in the 1990s, the head of the US armed forces (right below the president) had a Polish accent. |
Would you please elaborate on that? Do you by Polish accent mean the same accent as the one of Russians speaking English? I'm really curious how you Americans perceive our (Poles') English/accent. I mean, I know it's easy more or less to tell where (or at elast which part of the world) the particular person is from (for example, I always recignise Asians, French, Italians and Spanish for their "typical" pronunciation), but how do you perceive "Polish accent"? Do you, as an American, see a difference between "Polish" accent and "Czech" or "Slovak" ones? I put thos words in inverted commas because they're made up and I didn't know how to explain that.
| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Yankee wrote: |
| Speaking of accents, the governor of California has a German accent. :wink: |
No! He's got an unmistakably AUSTRIAN accent! |
Those accents are almost the same. They speak German in both Austria and Germany and although there are some vocabulary differences, the accents stay almost they same, but oh well - in the era of political correctness it's better to be accurate ;) |
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#12 (permalink) Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:11 am Is your accent unbearable? |
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| Aro wrote: |
| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Sometime in the 1990s, the head of the US armed forces (right below the president) had a Polish accent. |
Would you please elaborate on that? Do you by Polish accent mean the same accent as the one of Russians speaking English? I'm really curious how you Americans perceive our (Poles') English/accent. I mean, I know it's easy more or less to tell where (or at elast which part of the world) the particular person is from (for example, I always recignise Asians, French, Italians and Spanish for their "typical" pronunciation), but how do you perceive "Polish accent"? Do you, as an American, see a difference between "Polish" accent and "Czech" or "Slovak" ones? I put thos words in inverted commas because they're made up and I didn't know how to explain that. |
It's easy for a mildly attuned ear to hear the difference between Polish, Russian, Czech and Slovak accents. Russians have lax vowels, and Poles don't, so Russians can pronounce the schwa in many words that Poles have trouble with. Russians may or may not pronounce an American syllabic /r/ as [yo], so they might say "first" as [fyorst]. A Pole will usually say something like [first], with the or [ɪ] sound in it. The Czech and Slovak languages have long and short vowels, and so those people can often get the English vowel length correct, but Poles usually can't. Czechs and Slovaks have the diphthong /ou/, and so they can pronounce words like "coat" accurately, whereas many Poles and Russians say [kot] instead of the correct [kout]. These are some of the ways I can tell them apart.
And besides, no Russian, Czech, Slovak or Bosnian would ever walk up to me after 14 years in the United States and say, [i]"Czy he tell you, że I no understand, jak do this?"
There are audible differences, but there are other differences that I can see, rather than hear. The Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs, Slovaks and Bosnians often make friends with and sit with people who are not from their own countries, but the Poles usually sit in a big clump together and have minimal interaction with other people, as long as there are two or more Poles in the class. Of course, as with any group there are exceptions, but this is the general pattern I find among the Poles in ESL class.
Anyway, here's the American general who had the Polish accent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._Shalikashvili Note that his accent was distinctly POLISH, not Georgian.
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Yankee wrote: |
| Speaking of accents, the governor of California has a German accent. :wink: |
No! He's got an unmistakably AUSTRIAN accent! |
Those accents are almost the same. They speak German in both Austria and Germany and although there are some vocabulary differences, the accents stay almost they same, but oh well - in the era of political correctness it's better to be accurate ;) |
The accents of Germans and Austrians are quite distinctly different even when they speak German. In German, the Austrians sound something like a cross between a native German, a Czech trying to speak German, and a circus ringmaster. This difference appears in the way they speak English also. If Arnold had merely had a German accent, he wouldn't have gotten so many jobs playing robots in the movies. Part of the robot persona was that bizarre, unfamiliar accent. |
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#13 (permalink) Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:20 am Is your accent unbearable? |
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Hi Jamie
As you probably remember, I lived in Germany for nearly 18 years, and in that time I had lots of opportunity to talk to Germans from all over Germany. You're not trying to suggest that all Germans sound the same when they speak German, are you? ;) I also met and spoke with people from Austria and Switzerland. I'm quite aware of the different sounds that spoken German has in various areas.
Now, just of curiosity, what sort of accent would an ESL student from Mexico have? What about from Puerto Rico? From Argentina? How many people would say, "Oh yes! That's unmistakably a Mexican speaking English." or "There's no question! That's an Argentinian speaking English."? Is it only possible for people from Spain to have a "Spanish accent"? Do all of the people in Spain sound the same when they speak Spanish? Do all ESL students from Spain have the same accent in English? Just wondering... ;) . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#14 (permalink) Sat Feb 09, 2008 23:04 pm Is your accent unbearable? |
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Amy is right, and she's not. You often find speakers who can imitate an accent in a foreign language quite well, but mostly you're still able to tell the speaker's native tongue. I've once met a girl from Austria with a pretty good English accent and asked her whether she was from Germany - in German. A mistake, because when she spoke back to me in (Austrian) German I couldn't understand her anymore. It's only when the speaker has a distinctly marked pronunciation that is close to his first language or dialect that you can tell his origin. In my classes here in Leipzig/Saxony, probably about 10% of my students speak in what you could call a Saxon accent. And Arnold Schwarzenegger -- in the early days of his career -- could probably be associated with this 10% community of Austrian English speakers.
As for Spanish language speakers of English, I find it hard to make distinctions. My knowledge of the Spanish language is fairly limited, but I've never really encountered any problems to understand a person from South America, whereas people from Andalusia, Galicia or Catalonia are often hard to understand. _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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#15 (permalink) Sat Feb 09, 2008 23:40 pm Is your accent unbearable? |
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| Yankee wrote: |
| Now, just of curiosity, what sort of accent would an ESL student from Mexico have? |
Depending on the region, it's a generic accent of a Spanish speaker, but from some areas they have the added problem of pronouncing /w/ as [g], so "wood" comes out "good". Some of them also have a more stubborn problem of pronouncing [dʒ] when they need [y] than people from other parts of Latin America. Another thing is that people from some parts of Mexico are among those Hispanics who drop the final consonants on many words, but this is not peculiar to Mexicans.
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| What about from Puerto Rico? |
I'm not experienced with Puerto Ricans.
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| From Argentina? |
Argentineans are more likely to be able to pronounce the /v/ sound, so instead of pronouncing "verb" as "berve", they pronounce it "verve".
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| How many people would say, "Oh yes! That's unmistakably a Mexican speaking English." or "There's no question! That's an Argentinian speaking English."? |
The characteristics of Hispanic dialects are scattered in different combinations around the Spanish-speaking world, so in those cases you're dealing with minor clues, more than with unmistakably obvious characteristics, as you encounter between the typical German Hochdeutsch speaker on the one hand, and a typical Swiss or Austrian on the other. I've never encountered a German accent that could be mistaken for Swiss or Austrian.
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| Is it only possible for people from Spain to have a "Spanish accent"? Do all of the people in Spain sound the same when they speak Spanish? Do all ESL students from Spain have the same accent in English? Just wondering... ;) |
I know that people from Seville have a way of pronouncing /s/ so that it sounds more like [ʃ]. As a result, when they go into a pizzeria in Prague, they order a vagina in Czech. |
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