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reported speech and have got Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:15 am  reported speech and have got
 

Hello fellow teachers,

Is anyong familiar with the English book for seniors, "Blooming Late"?

In addition the the course book there are several readers.
These stories are written in British English. While reading these stories, I ran across a strange use of reported speech that Iīve never seen before and I wanted the opinion of other teachers if this use is correct. Here is an example:

" Iīve got three children"

She said that she had got three children.

Can this be correct???

She said that she had three children is what I would say..

Thanks a lot,

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reported speech and have got Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:40 am  reported speech and have got
 

Hi,

I'm not quite sure what your objection is to 'have got' and what the connection is with reported speech. Technically the change from present to past is acceptable, isn't it?

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reported speech and have got Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:59 am  reported speech and have got
 

Hi Alan,

I don`t have any objection to "have got". I have an objection to "She said that she "had got" three children", or
"He said that he "had got a new job".
For me, correct would be, "She said that she "had" three children", or
"He said that he "had" a new job."

Thanks,
Loretta
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reported speech and have got Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:38 am  reported speech and have got
 

Hi, Loretta
I think I know what point you're trying to make. There's 2 meanings to have got -
1)it means have and
2)it is the perfect infinitive of get
When you turn direct speech into indirect one, you must change have got to had if you use it in meaning 1 and to had got in the case of meaning 2

I.e. I've got a pencil => I said that I had a pencil
This rule is in my textbook on English.
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reported speech and have got Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:45 am  reported speech and have got
 

Hi Alex,

Thanks! Thatīs exactly what I need to hear. Could you give me the name of this textbook?
Whatīs your native language?

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reported speech and have got Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:56 am  reported speech and have got
 

Hi Loretta,

We'll clearly have to differ on this as to my mind changing 'have got' to simply 'have' when put into indirect speech also changes the meaning.

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reported speech and have got Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:55 pm  reported speech and have got
 

Hi Alan,

Mmmm, maybe we just donīt understand each other...

I canīt make sense out of a sentence such as "She had got three children".
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reported speech and have got Wed Feb 13, 2008 17:44 pm  reported speech and have got
 

Hi Loretta,

1) 'She said that she had three children'. - 'had' means 'to possess'.
2) 'She said that she had got a new job'. - 'had got' means 'to obtain'.
So in 1) we use 'had' and in 2) we use 'had got'.( Unit 27 'Advanced Grammar in Use' by Martin Hewings.)

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