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#2 (permalink) Fri Feb 15, 2008 18:35 pm What is meaning of Baton? |
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Hi,
This is a bit of obscure 'Internet' English suggesting that one group of people take over from another as 'baton' is a sort of stick that one member of an athletic team takes over from another in a relay race. It can also be a stick used by a police officer and also the stick used by the conductor in an orchestra.
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#3 (permalink) Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:01 am What is meaning of Baton? |
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Obscure "Internet" English? :shock: Now, that remark just doesn't seem cricket. (By the way, that use of the word "cricket" would be fairly obscure in the US. :wink: )
I find the symbolism in "take the baton" to be quite clear, and I've heard this sort of usage before. In the world of business there is endless talk of teams and teamwork, so it isn't unusual to find sports idioms and expressions used in a business context. Perhaps Alan would have been happier if the author of the test sentence had used "pass the baton" rather than "take the baton" -- or possibly "pass the torch".
Click on the following for definitions: pass the baton pass the baton pass the torch
Here is an example of 'take the baton' from the Daily Telegraph: "As month after month of disappointing retail data this year keep showing, Japan lacks the demand growth to take the baton from America."
Here is another example of figurative usage: A British actress (Geraldine McEwan) apparently stated just last month that it was time “to pass the baton on” after playing the title role in a TV series since 2003 and having made 12 films. (She is apparently going to retire from her role as Miss Marple, and presumably a different actress will take over.) . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#4 (permalink) Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:42 am What is meaning of Baton? |
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Hi,
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Now, that is obscure!
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#5 (permalink) Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:50 am What is meaning of Baton? |
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Whatever. :roll: _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#6 (permalink) Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:39 pm What is meaning of Baton? |
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This, for the record, is what I mean by Internet English:
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Article Excerpt Two Deutsche Bank Treasury managers outline some practical approaches in dealing with issues relating to allocation and investment of the bank's capital, performance measurement of local and regional businesses, foreign-currency capital exposures, and regulatory compliance across multiple regimes.
Sunrise in Auckland and another business day begins. At Deutsche Bank, members of the Treasury team located in the Asia-Pacific region take the baton from their colleagues in the Americas managing the bank's capital and balance sheet. These regional managers, specialists in their local market conventions and regulatory requirements, work with the business divisions to optimize the return on the bank's capital. Later in the working day, the European members of the team based in the corporate center join with their colleagues to ensure that the practical matters of the localities are aligned with the bank's strategic global issues.
Like Deutsche Bank, banks the world over are pursuing the ultimate capital framework, which will optimize the mix of capital, adequately assess capital at risk, and maximize capital returns. These global banks are faced with an array of regulatory requirements, business practices, and infrastructural complexity, demanding a dynamic approach to ensure a sufficiently robust yet flexible framework.
Allocation versus Investment of the Bank's Capital
Before dealing with the difference between allocated capital and invested capital, consideration should be given to a more fundamental question: "What is meant by the term capital?" Though a seemingly basic question, the notion of capital varies, depending on the perspective being considered.
l. From an accounting standpoint, capital is just the shareholder equity as it is reported on the balance sheet.
2. The regulatory view of capital expands on this accounting view by allowing for the inclusion of by hybrid capital instruments, usually accounted as liabilities, and then deducting purchased goodwill.
This is the denominator of well-known ratios like the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) Tier I ratio. 3. A risk manager views capital from an economic perspective driven by aggregate risk positions. Commonly expressed as "economic capital," these calculations more accurately reflect the capital needed to support the business franchise and include sophisticated calculations for market, credit, operational, and business risks.
These three perspectives do not move in tandem, but they must be dealt with simultaneously. |
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#7 (permalink) Sat Feb 16, 2008 17:22 pm What is meaning of Baton? |
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Oh, I see. That's like this type of "Internet" English then: http://www.english-test.net/forum/ftopic8588.html The person who created that test obviously took that particular sentence from the Internet, too. In that thread, I provided a link to the original source of the sentence. Although my original link is no longer active, this link still works: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2365787
I guess you must also consider the examples in my first post to be obscure 'Internet' English. ;)
For the record, telling the taker of an advanced English test that a sentence or word usage is a bit of obscure 'Internet' English suggested to me that you thought the usage would be unlikely anywhere other than on the Internet. I got the impression you were lumping the usage of 'baton' together with the likes of "how r u?" or words such as "blogosphere". And, in my opinion, that wouldn't be a fair or appropriate description of the usage of 'baton' in the test sentence. . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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