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| Ok, to make things clearer about my and some users' stand on this issue I have to post something. Azerbaijan, Georgia, Greece, China, Spain and some other nations are worried that independence for Kosovo could create a precedence for them as well and that they might also lose part of their territory, even though the West, particularly the USA and the EU always assert that what happened in Kosovo will not serve as a precedence for other nations. However, I think if separatism is encouraged so much, then stability can be strongly upset in the world in the near future. That is the problem. |
The situations are quite different, because Serbia supported a genocide in Kosovo, and at least Greece and Spain did not, and China doesn't discriminate ethnically when it commits genocide. So independence for Kosovo does not have to serve as a precedent for other breakaway states.
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| I think the worst thing about Serbia was that Serbs were not asked whether they wanted their borders be changed or not. That is definitely violation of their rights. |
I don't think they really deserved to be asked that, considering that they had engaged in "ethnic cleansing". |
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| #33 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:24 pm Kosovo independence |
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Hi Zahir,
As far as I know Serbia was asked by the international community to negotiate with the leadership of the Kosovo Albanians in order to find a peaceful solution for their conflict. The question is how can you stop the Kosovo Albanians from wanting to be independent and do you think both parties would have been better off if they had stayed together?
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| #34 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:37 pm Kosovo independence |
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| Ahmadov wrote: |
| I think the worst thing about Serbia was that Serbs were not asked whether they wanted their borders be changed or not. That is definitely violation of their rights. |
I don't think they really deserved to be asked that, considering that they had engaged in "ethnic cleansing". |
However, you should not punish an illegal act illegally, like Che Gevara's motto says (that strange statement about bombing for peace)...
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| #35 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:43 pm Kosovo independence |
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| Ahmadov wrote: |
| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Ahmadov wrote: |
| I think the worst thing about Serbia was that Serbs were not asked whether they wanted their borders be changed or not. That is definitely violation of their rights. |
I don't think they really deserved to be asked that, considering that they had engaged in "ethnic cleansing". |
However, you should not punish an illegal act illegally, like Che Gevara's motto says (that strange statement about bombing for peace)... |
So you should just leave the Albanians as sitting ducks inside a country where the majority wants to kill them and has already done so. Is that what you're saying? |
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| #36 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:52 pm Kosovo independence |
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Zahir,
I think Jamie has hit the nail on the head. The main point is that the majority of the Kosovo inhabitants want to be independent and I would venture to assume that the majority of the inhabitants of Serbia proper have other things on their mind than the status of Kosovo. You might want to substitute the term "illegal" with "common sense" and get a new perspective on the situation. It might be "illegal" to split up but if you don't want to be legally bound to a partner because you no longer regard them as your partner then it doesn't make sense to continue the relationship.
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| #37 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 13:03 pm Kosovo independence |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Ahmadov wrote: |
| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Ahmadov wrote: |
| I think the worst thing about Serbia was that Serbs were not asked whether they wanted their borders be changed or not. That is definitely violation of their rights. |
I don't think they really deserved to be asked that, considering that they had engaged in "ethnic cleansing". |
However, you should not punish an illegal act illegally, like Che Gevara's motto says (that strange statement about bombing for peace)... |
So you should just leave the Albanians as sitting ducks inside a country where the majority wants to kill them and has already done so. Is that what you're saying? |
I am sure you know that this is not what I am trying to say. I would love to see Kosovo being given a high autonomy status to strike a good balance in this situation.
I am so sorry, but I smell propaganda of the American media in your post. I think that the period of blind nationalism for Serbia has gone together with Milosevic. The election of Tadic in February this year proves that the Serbian people want integration into Europe. Actually, the reason behind giving independence to Kosovo was trying to reduce Russia's influence in Eastern Europe.
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| #38 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 13:07 pm Kosovo independence |
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Zahir,
Serbia's chances to join the EU might actually increase with Kosovo being an independent country rather than just an autonomic region.
As for the term "propaganda of American media" -- I think the American media represents a very diverse political spectrum as this discussion shows so you would have to specify what part of the American media you are referring to.
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| #39 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 13:17 pm Kosovo independence |
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Zahir,
Serbia's chances to join the EU might actually increase with Kosovo being an independent country rather than just an autonomic region. |
It is good to see our teachers here having big interest in politics. I always thought teachers have interest only in teaching... You guys' interest in diverse topics is a great added value for this web site...
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| #40 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 13:25 pm Kosovo independence |
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Zahir,
I personally wouldn't describe myself as a teacher. I just want to share my ideas with others and initiate a thinking process. There is this tag line the second larges chemical company in the world -- "what good thinking can do" and I try to get as many people to think as possible.
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| #41 (permalink) Sat Oct 25, 2008 15:54 pm Kosovo independence |
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I am interested about 4 week trial of The Guardian Weekly and I am interested if you can sent us any English books or Dictionaries for my school library. I am also
interested to talk more about English language than to talkabout Serbia and Kosova
I think that most of readers will agree with this suggestion.I think that this is no place for politi but this is a place for sharing our ideas.
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