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#2 (permalink) Mon Feb 18, 2008 14:42 pm Kosovo independence |
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Nothing,I don't concern about political events _________________ Don't see your shade think you are great |
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Duc I'm here quite often ;-)
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#3 (permalink) Mon Feb 18, 2008 15:06 pm Kosovo independence |
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Hi Duc,
What do you mean by "political events"? By the way, you probably wanted to say "I'm not concerned about political events". _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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#4 (permalink) Mon Feb 18, 2008 15:35 pm Kosovo independence |
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| edwin wrote: |
Hi all,what's your attitude and opinion about Kosovo independence?
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Independence is good wherever people want it. Leave the Basks to their liberty if they think that's what they want. Their economy will go down, but they'd be able to indulge in nationalistic bliss and learn to appreciate their healthy neighbours. There are other places where separatist movements have been long on its way, but never quite succeeded due to a deeper sense of trans-national identity (i.e. Scotland, Flanders). _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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#5 (permalink) Mon Feb 18, 2008 19:53 pm Kosovo independence |
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Hi Ralf,
I very much agree with you -- I think the status of Kosovo is not the important issue although a few politicians in Serbia and Kosovo are trying to make us believe. What really counts is how Kosovo can fight its high level of corruption and reduce its high unemployment. What most people really care about is how well they live not what citizenship or currency they hold. _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#7 (permalink) Thu Feb 21, 2008 16:13 pm Kosovo's independence |
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Hello everyone!
I have to say that I'm very sorry to hear that people from various parts of the world actually dare to talk about something probably without even knowing the real situation! But the worst thing is that they probably don't even know where Serbia is or they are not familiar with its history!
The world is given no opportunity to hear Serbian side concerning the issue of Serbian province's status, since the Albanian lobby is much more stronger throughout the world.
There must be something else about Kosovo since America wants so much to seize it!!!
It would be the same thing as if I came at your house and stayed there for some time and then say THAT'S MINE and not yours any longer!!!
You have to hear the other side as well and then make a judgement!
Serbian people are minority in Kosovo so it is not true that Albanians were under pressure to move to other countries! And what about hundreds of Orthodox churches burned and Serbian people murdered by Albanians!?!? Who would speak for them!!! Probably not the world!
I don't approve of any kind of violence--those who want to kill and destroy other people have no nationality they are just MONSTERS! I still believe that there are a lot of good Serbian as well as Albanian people and that they can make peace and live in peace for the sake of future generatons! I pray for that!
Kosovo has always been the part of Serbia and its independence is an illegal act and the one who supports it becomes very much the same as those who support violence and destruction of other people's national identity!!! |
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#8 (permalink) Thu Feb 21, 2008 16:21 pm Kosovo's independence |
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Hi Vanity Fair,
What makes you think that America wants to seize Kosovo? As far as I understand it, the Kosovo Albanians want to live in an independent country. Why are the Serbs so angry about that? How exactly has your life changed after Kosovo declared its independence? Do you think that the Kosovo Albanians are better off if you force them to be part of Serbia again? _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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#9 (permalink) Thu Feb 21, 2008 16:38 pm Kosovo's independence |
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I see You got it all wrong! In the case of Serbia there is no such a word "to force" since Kosovo is part of Serbia! But since You don't belong to my people You can't know what Kosovo means for Serbia and for my people!
Our lives are very much changed because there are a lot of our friends, family ect still there and we are worried for them with reason! We are also facing the possibility of losing part of our history, culture and with it our identity!
When it comes to America, it is obvious that their politicians are trying to control the whole world thus destroying other people as well as theirs! But they are powerful and we are not! Tell me the reason why America bombed my country for 78 days in 1999? There is no excuse for such violence! |
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#10 (permalink) Thu Feb 21, 2008 17:55 pm Kosovo's independence |
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How can Kosovo be a part of Serbia after Kosovo declared its independence? The majority of the people living in Kosovo are Albanians, is that right? Also, why do you think the US is powerful and you are not? _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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#11 (permalink) Thu Feb 21, 2008 18:24 pm Kosovo's independence |
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| vanity fair wrote: |
| When it comes to America, it is obvious that their politicians are trying to control the whole world thus destroying other people as well as theirs! |
This thought about America trying to control the whole world usually comes from people who have lived under dictators and think every country in the world is some kind of dictatorship.
| vanity fair wrote: |
| But they are powerful and we are not! Tell me the reason why America bombed my country for 78 days in 1999? There is no excuse for such violence! |
I think it must have had something to do with the over 32,000 Bosnians and Croats that the Serbs there murdered without Serbia doing anything to stop them. Then they started the same thing in Kosovo, so it was time for someone to discourage that kind of thing. |
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#12 (permalink) Thu Feb 21, 2008 18:33 pm Kosovo's independence |
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| You just proved how little you know about the whole situation concerning Serbia! |
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Vanity Fair I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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#13 (permalink) Thu Feb 21, 2008 18:34 pm Kosovo's independence |
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| vanity fair wrote: |
| You just proved how little you know about the whole situation concerning Serbia! |
So far, you're full of accusations that nobody outside Serbia knows anything, but you don't have any information. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#14 (permalink) Fri Feb 22, 2008 23:30 pm Kosovo's independence |
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Vanity Fair, I'm sorry if you think that the US wants to "control" Kosovo, but not much could be further from the truth.
Every one of America's military actions (that I can remember, anyway) have explanations other than imperialism:
in most cases, it involved either:
a) Ridding the world of the oppression of Communism or b) Otherwise removing oppressive/murderous dictators from power, in so doing making the country safe for democracy and all the good things that come with it
World War II was all about Hitler/Mussolini/Hirohito et al.
Korea was about saving the South Koreans from Communism.
ditto Vietnam and the South Vietnamese (with all respect to our Vietnamese friends here, that was our initial aim anyway)
Iraq 1 -- getting Saddam to leave the Kuwaitis alone
Iraq 2 -- getting rid of Saddam and stabilizing the country for Democracy _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#15 (permalink) Fri Feb 22, 2008 23:38 pm Kosovo's independence |
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Now.. I suppose one could fairly say that the US has tried to influence other countries. In our defense, it's usually to stabilize the country or to return voting power to people who have none (or little), so that they can choose their rulers *fairly* (elections can be tough even in the best of circumstances -- but we should try to make them as fair as possible)
I've spoken out against Communism here, but what's really important to me is that people choose their rulers and form of gov't/economy. If people vote for communism, more power to them. I don't think it's the way to go, but if that's what the people of a country want, so be it.
From the bottom of my heart, I hope my country always goes into these situations with good intentions. We can't always control outcomes, but we can do our best to help work toward a positive future.
(in terms of actual imperialism, I don't think we do that -- Iraq will never be a fiefdom of the USA, for instance, the way much of France was for England in the Middle Ages) _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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