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#2 (permalink) Sun Feb 24, 2008 18:14 pm never met this syntax before... |
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Hi and welcome,
'Was it ever difficult' is not known to me but maybe somebody will know it. All I can suggest is this: 'As always it was difficult.'
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#3 (permalink) Mon Feb 25, 2008 13:22 pm never met this syntax before... |
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. Maybe it is AmE-- I certainly recognize it as a common casual exclamation:
That test was long. Am I ever tired! My brother lost his wallet again. Is he ever stupid!
Not 'as always', in spite of the 'ever'. 'Ever' is an intensifier, much as it is in 'Why ever did I marry her?' Without it, we have:
Am I tired! Is he stupid!
Swan notes that 'Americans and some British speakers' [my emphasis] may use ordinary (non-negative) question forms in exclamations'-- the more usual negative question form for an exclamation being such as 'Isn't the weather nice!' . _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#4 (permalink) Mon Feb 25, 2008 14:51 pm never met this syntax before... |
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So, you mean 'ever' has the meaning of 'very' in such cases? Thanks, by the way which book of Swan are you referring to? I would like to know. I am teaching English as well, but in American Tests like ECPE I come across some structures I have never met before or cannot find explanations of them  |
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#5 (permalink) Mon Feb 25, 2008 22:55 pm never met this syntax before... |
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. Yes, 'ever' sort of means 'very', but it is a sentence intensfier. Practical English Usage by Michael Swan (Oxford Univ. Press) is an authoritative, realistic and easy-to-use grammar reference. . _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#6 (permalink) Tue Feb 26, 2008 22:27 pm never met this syntax before... |
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| "was it ever difficult" is an informal phrase, and means (or at least when I use it): "It's as difficult as it normally is", although there are suggestions that it was even more difficult than that. |
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#7 (permalink) Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:09 am never met this syntax before... |
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Hi glitterfairy
Is English your native language? If so, which version of English do you speak?
Mister Micawber's explanation of "Was it ever difficult!" was a good description of what I would understand that exclamation to mean (in American English). It is a very commonly used sort of exclamation in my neck of the woods, and it always refers to some sort of extreme:
"Man, was it ever cold last night!" (It was unbelievably cold last night.)
"Whew! Was that ever a close call!" (e.g. This might be said when two cars have just avoided a collision by less than one tenth the diameter of a hair.)  . |
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#8 (permalink) Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:40 am never met this syntax before... |
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Thank Yankee for your precious help! I have encountered this phrase in ECPE test which is American. I wil certainly ask more things in the future so I expect your help since you are an American native speaker!  |
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#9 (permalink) Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:03 am never met this syntax before... |
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Hi,
Having said that the 'ever' use was unknown to me, I now realise that at the back of my mind I had heard it many times in that wonderful film High Society. I quote the lyrics for the song by Cole Porter in the film. The word 'ever' is written as 'evah' as well as one or two alternative spellings in this quote:
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What A Swell Party This Is lyrics
Artist - Cole Porter Album - Various Songs Lyrics - What A Swell Party This Is
Have you heard, among this clan I am called 'The forgotten man'? Well, did you evah? What a swell party this is!
Have you heard the story of A boy, a girl , unrequited love? Well, did you evah? What a swell party this is!
What frills, what frocks! What furs, what rocks! What gaiety! It's all too exquis! That French champagne! So good for the brain! That bands, it's the end! Kindly don't fall down my friend.
Have you heard? Professor Munch Ate his wife and divorced his lunch. Well, did you evah? What a swell party this is!
Have you heard? The countess Krupp Crossed the bridge when the bridge was up. Well, did you evah? What a swell party this is!
Have you heard that Mimsie Starr Just got pinched in the Astor bar? Well, did you evah? What a swell party this is!
Have you heard that Uncle Newt Forgot to open his parachute? Well, did you evah? What a swell party this is!
It's great, it's grand! It's wonderland! What soup, what fish! That beef, what a dish! That grouse, so rare! That aged camembert! That bab au rhum! Will you please move over chum?
Have you heard that dear old Blanch Got run down by an avalanche? Well, did you evah? What a swell party this is!
Have you heard? It's in the stars, Next July we collide with Mars! Well, did you evah? What a swell party this is!
What a swellagent, elagent party this is! |
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#10 (permalink) Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:36 am never met this syntax before... |
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. Well, I never!
Thanks for the golden oldie, Alan. . _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#11 (permalink) Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:53 pm never met this syntax before... |
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Yankee,
so maybe I didn't explain it very well.... I certain am a native speaker, but I speak British English. |
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#12 (permalink) Wed Feb 27, 2008 15:23 pm never met this syntax before... |
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Hi glitterfairy
I was curious about whether your input was about the usage of the expression in England, the US, Canada, Australia, etc. Thus my question. It's interesting how some usages differ from place to place, isn't it. So, what part of Britain do you hail from? . |
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#13 (permalink) Wed Feb 27, 2008 15:30 pm never met this syntax before... |
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| Mister Micawber wrote: |
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#14 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:33 am never met this syntax before... |
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| Yankee wrote: |
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. Well, I never! . |
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Hi, Amy
I presume that Mister Micawber wanted to say "I never heard that poem" and your reply But did you ever can be construed as disbelief in what he stated, or did you merely agree with him ?
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#15 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:30 am never met this syntax before... |
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. Wrong on my remark, Alex. We're still playing with the 'ever' language point. 'I never!' is an AmE (I think) idiomatic interjection expressing amazement, akin to 'I swan!'
I'll let Amy take care of explaining her response. . _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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| Reported speech: "He said he loved her" | Preposition usage: 'For whom are you waiting?' vs 'To whom are you waiting?' |