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#2 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 16:19 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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| In Bulgaria, rarely do kids get educated about finances. Actually, most of them are quite "unbridled", letting cash flow through their wide spread fingers. However, there are exceptions - where the "street" teaches kids how to manage their money, because there are plenty of poor households, bordering with penury. Luckily, I study in an economics school, and my father is a "financial advisor", if that can be defined as an occupation... But nothing such as "financial literacy" is taught in non-specialized schools. |
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#3 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 18:02 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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Hi Dimitar,
Thanks a lot for sharing your experiences with us. Why do you doubt if financial adviser can be defined as an occupation? In my opinion this is a profession with a very high reputation. Maybe this is different in Bulgaria? _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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#4 (permalink) Thu Feb 28, 2008 19:15 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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Hello You have a point there. That was because advising is one of the many things he does... P.S. I am very pleased you have remembered my name. Regards |
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#5 (permalink) Fri Feb 29, 2008 17:57 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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The US may have lots of financial education resources -- including lots of books and other resources for children -- but that doesn't mean the people are better educated about their finances, and it doesn't stop people from making bad financial decisions.
The problem is this: Americans don't like to do anything that's boring, and most of them are not taught math or even simple arithmetic well.
When you present a teenager with a book or some other media that will improve his financial literacy, he will be fascinated by the initial portion that describes what the long-term results of good financial planning are, but he'll drop it when "the boring part" starts. This "boring part" is the actual nuts and bolts of how to invest and manage one's money, and there's no real way to make this interesting to the average kid that age, or even the average young adult. This way, the kid learns all about how rich good financial planning can make him, but he never learns anything about financial planning. Therefore his income is limited to his wages, and he may not start saving any money until middle age.
Another factor is that many adults got into the workforce in an era that is now in its twilight. It's the one where the company pension funds took care of the person for the rest of his life. This has been replaced by a system in which the person's pension contributions are put into a private account that he's supposed to manage (usually with some help, if he asks for it, which he won't), and the employee takes the fund with him as he changes employers. It's better to have this money under the control of the employee, but often people not only don't have the motivation to educate themselves as to what to do with it, some of them don't even know that they have to educate themselves.
Economic illiteracy here is really astounding, considering the amount of information available. This is why people can be manipulated with weird, socialist economic slogans. It's not uncommon to see a person support some politician's plan to "make the rich pay their fair share" by heavily taxing stock dividends. Often this person receives a lot of dividends himself, but he doesn't know it, so he supports a tax plan that actually damages him. I get students in my classes -- adults, born and raised in the US -- who think you can't invest unless you're already rich. I tell them they can open an investment account with as little as $50, and then make small, regular contributions, and they're shocked. The people in their 30s may even get upset at the fact that they didn't know this at age 18 and had therefore lost 10 or 15 years of potential financial gains. |
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#6 (permalink) Fri Feb 29, 2008 18:52 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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| A very strong post there, Jamie. So, the truth is the 'average Joe' is unable to contemplate what is good or bad for him, nor does he know that he has to improve and educate himself? This is sad. |
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#7 (permalink) Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:47 am What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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| SkiIucK wrote: |
| A very strong post there, Jamie. So, the truth is the 'average Joe' is unable to contemplate what is good or bad for him, nor does he know that he has to improve and educate himself? This is sad. |
The hilarious thing is that you can't tell from looking at anybody who is financially literate and who isn't. I went into a private bookstore near a university once, and I saw two African-American employees in their 20s arguing about something. One looked like a very clean-cut, well-dressed young man that any parent would be proud to see their daughter on a date with. The other one had long dreadlocks, a Jiffy Pop hat, a wispy goatee and old, ratty clothes. You expected him to be half stoned on pot. The clean-cut one was asking the Rastafarian-looking one to let him leave work early to get a haircut. Mr. Dreadlocks thought this request was quite unnecessary, asked Mr. Clean-Cut where he got his hair cut. Then he asked how much it cost. It was $50. Mr. Rastafari got angry and disgusted, and shouted at Mr. Clean-Cut, "FIFTY DOLLARS?! THAT'S A MINIMUM INVESTMENT IN A DAMN MUTUAL FUND!" and then gave the kid a lecture. So the kid who looked like a young businessman was blowing all his money on looking good, and the guy who looked like an indigent stoner was adept at personal finance. |
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#8 (permalink) Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:02 am What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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Torsten, there are a lot of investment-savvy people in the US.
Conversely, there are perhaps as many whose primary strategy is to buy lottery tickets... which are a terrible investment. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#9 (permalink) Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:51 am What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
Torsten, there are a lot of investment-savvy people in the US.
Conversely, there are perhaps as many whose primary strategy is to buy lottery tickets... which are a terrible investment. |
One of my friends worked the lotto machine in her brother-in-law's liquor store for a while. It shocked her how many people who needed every penny they had just in order to live, would nonetheless buy $150 a week in lottery tickets.
And some of the customers are crazy. One man thought that if she looked at his ticket with her big eyes, she would jinx his numbers and cause him to lose. When that man came in, she had to have her brother-in-law come over and issue the ticket. |
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#10 (permalink) Thu Mar 06, 2008 16:45 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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lol
it's sad, they waste their money and then blame the government (mostly President Bush) for their negative economic situation _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#11 (permalink) Thu Mar 06, 2008 16:46 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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..when they could be using that money to buy stock, mutual funds, or other (far more dependable/productive) investment tools.
or heck, just keeping it in a bank account would be a vast improvement. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#12 (permalink) Thu Mar 06, 2008 20:54 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
| it's sad, they waste their money and then blame the government (mostly President Bush) for their negative economic situation |
Funny you should mention that. The US is in a (certainly temporary) stock slump, with banking stocks suffering in particular. This has occurred because, as often happens when the economy is booming, banks have had a lot of money to lend, and they start lending it to riskier and riskier clients. In the 1980s they lent it to insolvent Latin American governments. In the 2000s, they've been lending to risky home buyers. Some of that money eventually becomes uncollectible, and financial stocks crash until they get the problem worked out. People see a lowering in the value of their stock and mutual fund portfolios for a while.
The accurate information is all over the newspapers and TV, although the severity of the problem is sometimes exaggerated. Even so, I saw a man last weekend who claimed his portfolio value decreased because "Bush took all my money away." How did Bush "take away his money"? By lowering taxes? They make it sound like Bush is an evil anti-Santa-Claus who climbs down people's chimneys and looks for ways to cause them trouble. |
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#13 (permalink) Thu Mar 06, 2008 21:06 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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Santa Bush -- I like that idea. When something goes wrong, people always blame the government, they rarely want to take responsibility for their bad decisions. That's the case in all countries, however it seems that Americans are less inclined to blame their government than other nations. Also, I still think that despite the recent financial crisis Americans are much better educated financially than many East Germans.
The generation of my parents are very suspicious of stocks, bonds and any other kind of financial investment products because this type of market was almost non-existent when we were a socialist country. The percentage of homeowners was extremely low and most people would keep their money in state owned banks generating interest rates slightly above inflation. _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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#14 (permalink) Thu Mar 06, 2008 21:13 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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Jamie
Yeah, stocks are down... but long-term, the stock mkt is a much better bet than Powerball tickets. hehe _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#15 (permalink) Thu Mar 06, 2008 21:15 pm What role does "financial literacy" play in your country? |
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you know, this has something to do with finance -- taxes and tax cuts. There's a bit of what Jamie's acquaintance in here... the one who whined that his financial woes were due to President Bush. Here's a viewpoint some might not have heard. Enjoy! ---------
A Simple Introduction to Our Tax System
Here is a very simple way to understand our tax system. Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten totals $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this.
The first four men - the poorest - would pay nothing, the fifth would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18, and the tenth man - the richest - would pay $59.
That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement - until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language, a tax cut).
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six - the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"
The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being paid to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.
But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "Hey, out of the $20 savings, I only got a dollar, but he got $7!" declared the sixth man as he pointed to the tenth.
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar, too... It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!"
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison who have never paid for anything, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. When it came time to pay the bill, they discovered a little late something that was very important. They were fifty-two dollars short of paying the bill!
Imagine that!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.
Where would that leave the rest? Unfortunately, most taxing authorities anywhere cannot seem to grasp this rather straight-forward logic!
T. Davies Professor of Accounting & Chair, Division of Accounting and Business Law The University of South Dakota
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