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Usage of "Who all" Tue Mar 11, 2008 14:35 pm  Usage of "Who all"		  
Torsten wrote:
Molly wrote:
And what would you do if someone told you that your use of "similar... like mine", there, was incorrect, or at least nonstandard'?

Instead of trying to convince others that this correct in "German English" I would admit that 'similar to mine' sounds much better. The next time I would write 'similar to mine' rather than 'similar like mine'.

Do you think "German English" has been around a for a few hundred years and is used intranationally in Germany? It seems you are saying that you want to dictate and decide the standards of Indian English speakers. Are you'?

Would you like to decide how I use English in my country with my fellow Nigerians?

And if you heard an American English speaker use, as many American English speakers do, forms such as "Did you eat yet?", would you suggest that person should use "Have you eaten?" instead? If not, why not?
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Usage of "Who all" Tue Mar 11, 2008 15:29 pm  Usage of "Who all"		  
Molly wrote:
<Foreign learners are often unable to perform or even comprehend these switches because their level of acquired English is functionally flat.">

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People in India can talk any way they want. They can replace every form of tag question with a single "is it?" if they want. They can change the past tense of "go" from "went" to "was go" if they want. They can use such deviant pronunciation that no native speaker can understand them, if they want. They can do all kinds of things to the English language in India if they want to, but if their goal is clear communication in an international context, then they have to drop all those eccentricities and adhere to the general standard.

Which could leave the rest of us, i.e. non-Indians, more functionally flat, right?

You've lost the argument. Just give up.
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Usage of "Who all" Tue Mar 11, 2008 18:36 pm  Usage of "Who all"		  
Molly wrote:
You believe it is incorrect in Indian English?

According to the following Wikipedia entry 'Indian English' is simply regarded as 'incorrect English' so why bother with it?

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Formal British English is preferred over the layman's Indian English in educated Indian circles and higher Indian writing. Middle and upper-class Indians, especially those with greater and wider exposure to the West through books, electronic media (such as television or movies) and travel, tend to speak grammatically-standard English.

What is characterised as Indian English is not considered "correct usage" by either government-related institutions (such as offices and schools) or educated Indians who prize 'proper' English. Indian schools still teach grammar from (frequently older) British textbooks like Wren & Martin or J. C. Nesfield (1898): the grammar of higher British English is considered the only correct one. Efforts by the Oxford University Press to publish a dictionary of Indian English resulted in abject failure since customers in India preferred the 'proper' British dictionary.

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Usage of "Who all" Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:25 am  Usage of "Who all"		  
According to the following Wikipedia entry 'Indian English' is simply regarded as 'incorrect English' so why bother with it?

If you trust info found on Wikipedia, you're bound to be misinformed at some time.

You might want to read deeper and wider:

http://www.languageinindia.com/junjul2002/baldridgeindianenglish.html
http://www.vsubhash.com/desienglish.asp
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/arts/ling/stories/s1298284.htm
http://www.lehigh.edu/~amsp/2005/08/indian-english-does-it-exist-what-do.html
http://www.chillibreeze.com/articles/IsitIndianEnglishorEnglishinIndia.asp

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/16/wenglish116.xml

"Young and educated Indians regard the desire to speak English as it is spoken in England as a silly hang-up from a bygone era. Homegrown idiosyncrasies have worked their way into the mainstream to such an extent that only fanatical purists question their usage."

Are you a "fanatical purist", Torsten? Wink

Open-minds required. Wink

In my "standard", Nigerian English, the American English use of "Did you eat yet?" is incorrect usage, but I understand that it is correct in American English. Do you see the logic?
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Usage of "Who all" Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:33 am  Usage of "Who all"		  
Hi Molly,

I think we can swap quotes back and forth until the cows come out. The initial question was grammar related and at some point the discussion started to take a slightly different direction moving into sociolinguistics. It's probably best if you open a new thread on the different varieties of English with a focus on Indian and Nigerian English. Since English is a second language to me, I'm concentrating on learning the language of those people I want to emulate. Maybe there is a certain percentage of ESL learners who instead of UK or US English want to learn Nigerian, Indian or Creole English and you might be able to help them achieve their goal.
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Usage of "Who all" Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:42 am  Usage of "Who all"		  
OK, Torsten. Thanks for the exchange of views.

One thing, how do you go about this?

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I'm concentrating on learning the language of those people I want to emulate.

Which "models" do you use?
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Usage of "Who all" Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:03 pm  Usage of "Who all"		  
I don't use any 'models' but prefer learning from and with people instead. After all, I don't want to interact with 'models' but with people.
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Usage of "Who all" Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:25 pm  Usage of "Who all"		  
Torsten wrote:
I think we can swap quotes back and forth until the cows come out.

Till the cows come home.
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Usage of "Who all" Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:45 pm  Usage of "Who all"		  
Hi Jamie, thanks for pointing this out. Is there a difference between 'till the cows come home' and 'until the cows come home'? It seems that both versions are acceptable and used?
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Usage of "Who all" Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:48 pm  Usage of "Who all"		  
"Till" is colloquial, or poetic. There's no difference.
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