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is this vulgar or not? Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:45 am  is this vulgar or not?
 

Hi,
now I will write 2 words that are maybe vulgar so If you are under the age of 18 years please leave the site immediately Smile j/k

So what's the matter ... Our teacher wrote “fu.cking sh.it“ on the table today and told us that this phrase (if I can call it phrase) isn't as vulgar as we all think. She said that this means something like bad ...

My question sounds if these words are vulgar together,what they mean and where is the line to don't use it(I hope you understand)?
For example would you use it at school or would you say it to your mother ?
Thank you very much and sorry if the question is already answered.
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is this vulgar or not? Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:02 am  is this vulgar or not?
 

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My question sounds if these words are vulgar together,what they mean and where is the line to don't use it(I hope you understand)?
For example would you use it at school or would you say it to your mother ?

If you use an equivalent in your own language, where, and with whom, would you use it? That may answer your question.
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is this vulgar or not? Thu Mar 13, 2008 14:47 pm  is this vulgar or not?
 

They are vulgar together, and they've vulgar separately. Well, let's got a step further and say they're not just vulgar, but obscene. I don't think you should trust your instructor's judgments.
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is this vulgar or not? Thu Mar 13, 2008 18:04 pm  is this vulgar or not?
 

Our teacher said that a friend of her told her that a city(no matter what city) is a fuc.king shit and he thought that the city is boring(there is nothing to see). So is it bullshit and I shouldn't use it ?
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is this vulgar or not? Thu Mar 13, 2008 18:16 pm  is this vulgar or not?
 

Native speakers wouldn't put the article "a" before "f*cking sh*t", so it shows that the person doesn't have a native feel for bad language in the first place.

That expression, and the two words that make it up, are considered obscene, and they should be avoided, except among friends that you use obscene language with.

Just for perspective, if a radio host in the United States used the F-word on a show, and a citizen reported it, the government would penalize his company a quarter million dollars for each time it was said. The word "sh*t" isn't quite as obscene, but it's still bad.
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is this vulgar or not? Thu Mar 13, 2008 18:52 pm  is this vulgar or not?
 

The man were from Ireland and I don't know if he used “a“ befor the words and I don't know how long do they know themselves (I mean my teacher and the man). But she said that this is not vulgar ... OK, thank you for explanation.

btw: You have written “F-word“. Does it mean the vulgar word that I wrote many times today ? and is it known among English speaking people ? Can I use it instead of the whole fc.k/ing ? thank you
edit:and if it's known shortcut, do people use it in spoken language ?
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is this vulgar or not? Thu Mar 13, 2008 18:56 pm  is this vulgar or not?
 

When people want to refer to the word "f*ck", but they don't want to actually say it, they say "the F-word" instead.

"The S-word" is "sh*t".

"The N-word" is "n*gger".

All of them are too vulgar to say in normal company, so North Americans use those euphemisms.
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is this vulgar or not? Thu Mar 13, 2008 19:11 pm  is this vulgar or not?
 

Thank you once again ... and if you find this thread obscene, you can delete it.
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is this vulgar or not? Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:21 am  is this vulgar or not?
 

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"The N-word" is "n*gger".

All of them are too vulgar to say in normal company, so North Americans use those euphemisms.

In which context would one need to even say "The N-word"?
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is this vulgar or not? Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:22 am  is this vulgar or not?
 

Hi M3dic,

The use of the words separately and individually that you have quoted in your original post can be used with impunity in a context/situation where it is appropriate. Often they are used as a form of condensed anger and are mixed up in expressions of surprise and wonderment. The fact is they exist and certainly in the UK nowadays they float around on the airwaves and in the street. To many (and to me) this is disturbing mainly I suppose because when I was the age of some of the practitioners, I would never have dreamt of mouthing these words and now they have become common currency. They no longer shock, they have lost the startle element and their users show a distinct want of verbal expression.

The point I wish to make is that the use of these and many other similar words could be described as offensive to certain people in certain situations. It follows therefore that choosing to use them may offend and the choice depends on whether the offence is intended or accidental.

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is this vulgar or not? Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:46 am  is this vulgar or not?
 

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their users show a distinct want of verbal expression.

I don't think you can prove that. Many people use such "vulgar" expressions and at the same time have a very wide vocabulary. We've heard even Prince Philip and Prince Charles use language similar to the above. To me, your comment is based on myth. Sorry 'bout that.

BTW, in an extreme situation, which "alternatives" would you use?
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is this vulgar or not? Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:58 am  is this vulgar or not?
 

Hi Molly,

'Myth'? I think not. My rude awakening to the 'F' word as a callow youth of 18 was when I started my national service in the Tower of London. When you live in a barrack room of 30+ of your peers, many of whom (fact) are unable to read or write and who even use the word between the different syllables of a word such as 'television', I think you are entitled to suggest that verbal communication is a touch weak. Naturally people who 'have a very wide vocabulary' use these words too. I didn't suggest that. I pointed out that in a given context/situation they are used appropriately.

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is this vulgar or not? Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:18 am  is this vulgar or not?
 

Alan wrote:
who even use the word between the different syllables of a word such as 'television',

Hi, Alan
Do I understand you correctly? they say "tele fu*king vision" ? Very Happy
If yes, then wow, this made me titter, sounds funny even to my non-native ear Smile
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is this vulgar or not? Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:18 am  is this vulgar or not?
 

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When you live in a barrack room of 30+ of your peers, many of whom (fact) are unable to read or write and who even use the word between the different syllables of a word such as 'television', I think you are entitled to suggest that verbal communication is a touch weak.

Indeed you are, but that's different from suggesting that vulgar language only occurs among those with a "limited" vocabulary.
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is this vulgar or not? Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:27 am  is this vulgar or not?
 

lost_soul wrote:
Hi, Alan
Do I understand you correctly? they say "tele fu*king vision" ? Very Happy
If yes, then wow, this made me titter, sounds funny even to my non-native ear Smile

Yeah, sounds wild, right? Natives could even say "English f*cking Test.net", if they felt that way. Wink
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