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#17 (permalink) Wed Apr 02, 2008 18:48 pm gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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. The silence is practically deafening. Should I understand that to be a complete rejection of my input?
Alan has been mighty slippery here. He did not say that 'be gone out of my head' is a common British expression meaning 'scatterbrained'. As I understand it, he simply explained what he wanted to convey and how he personally chose to convey it.
Has english-test.net decided to invent a new version of English called "Alnglish"? ;)
Another way of fixing this test sentence would be to change the whole sentence so that it tests something that actually IS a fixed expression. . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#18 (permalink) Wed Apr 02, 2008 19:16 pm gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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. By the way, did you change the name of this thread? Or is there another thread still floating around somewhere called "head vs brain"? . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#19 (permalink) Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:42 am gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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. Still waiting for the results of the top secret talks between Torsten and Alan. :wink: . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#20 (permalink) Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:19 am head vs brain |
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Helloooooooo..... Has this question been completely erased from your gray matter? I suggest that Alan use his noodle to think up a better distracter than the word 'brain'. :wink:
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That's exactly the point, Torsten. It doesn't matter whether you use 'brain' or 'head' or 'mind' or 'noggin'. (There are a few other words I think would work, too.) There is quite a bit of flexibility in the test sentence because the test sentence is not a fixed expression! (I hope you noticed the word 'not' in my last sentence.) :lol:
I tried to make the solution as simple as possible in my very first post: Replace the word 'brain' with a word that is really not possible. . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#21 (permalink) Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:19 pm gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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#22 (permalink) Sun Apr 13, 2008 14:09 pm gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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Hi Alan
For just this one test sentence, I've done a mind-boggling amount of work with my noodle already. Why not finally fix the darn thing and be done with it?
It sure would be nice if this question didn't keep vanishing from your gray matter.:wink: . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#23 (permalink) Mon Apr 14, 2008 13:09 pm gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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Hi Amy,
I'm afraid you miss the point of the forums. They are not intended for native English speakers to demand that changes are made to the tests to suit their particular interests. By all means they can point out if they wish, errors of punctuation, spelling, usage or whatever, which occur from time to time as I know you have done and thanks for that. Unfortunately you have gone even further and are using the forums to make personal attacks on me when you find that your 'demands' are not met. This serves no purpose and hardly helps any of the members who are only interested in language questions and must be mystified as to why you persist in what you have described as your
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This is not your site and I have no intention of carrying out the 'demands' you keep repeating on the use of certain words. I have written close on 500 of the tests for the site and have written them in British English since that is the form of English I was brought up with. It is a difficult task to find a selection of words for the multiple choice questions, which will both suggest 'realistic' choices and indicate as clearly as possible the right one. It is in the nature of multiple choice questions that if a member doesn't choose the one word that the test writer has in mind, it has inevitably to be considered 'incorrect' in the light of that test as written. The site has now developed and there are tests on line written by speakers of American English where words are used which would not be used in British English and of course with American spelling. Great! You however as I said above have taken on the role of ambassador for American English and are metaphorically stamping your feet if you don't get your way if certain words are not included/changed in tests that I wrote some 3 or 4 years ago. I would point out that there have been instances where fellow American members have disagreed with you over certain constructions. Am I supposed to chop and change to suit the mood of the moment? When a member raises a matter of the choice of a word and can't understand why it has been marked 'incorrect' when they thought they had seen another word somewhere else or that they would choose an alternative word in the choices, by all means let's justify it and if it happened to be in current American English, let's explain this. But you can't create a system technically (as far as I know) that will incorporate all the alternatives possible in all the different Englishes that now straddle the world. The multiple choice test is an imperfect tool in my opinion and I am much happier in writing materials that will illustrate at least one variety of English.
From the response I get from the newsletters that I write it would seem that this project is appreciated. The idea which I gather from your personal comments about me that I am some kind of bigot who will dismiss any other type of English which is not British, is ludicrous. The choice is now with you. You can either continue with your war of attrition or move on.
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to which you refer, I have to say that this is your decision. Perhaps, as I have stated elsewhere, you might want to harness this energy and use it in a more positive way and write some tests yourself. If you do, I am sure they would be welcomed and rest assured I would not indulge in any of the tactics with which you bombard me.
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#24 (permalink) Mon Apr 14, 2008 13:56 pm gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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. I take your response to mean that you don't care very much whether the tests on the site are correct or not, or whether they're misleading or not.
I would like to add that there are many tests on the site which include language that sounds 'distinctly British' to my American ears. However, I haven't commented on most of those because I didn't think the difference was significant.
I think you miss the stated point of your own forum. You have obviously made it a point to simply not discuss points of view that differ from your own. And, for some reason, you seem to find it inappropriate for a native speaker of American English ask a question about usage in British English. If an ESL student wants to know why it's OK in your eyes to use 'by the time' to mean 'after', for example, you simply refuse to discuss the matter, choosing instead to simply make flippant remarks about someone else's explanation and/or opinion that 'by the time' is not used that way.
I see that you basically missed the whole point of my last post. Was that intentional on your part? My post was written as it was in order to illustrate my point about the test sentence itself. The test sentence does not use a fixed expression as it is written, and therefore one of the 'incorrect' choices is not actually incorrect.
Sorry, Alan, if you can't manage to discuss differences of opinion, then I guess you'll either have to ban me or just put up with me. . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#25 (permalink) Mon Apr 14, 2008 14:16 pm gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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. By the way, could you please finally explain why you (apparently) think that saying "It's completely gone out of my head" is so very right and "It's completely gone out of my brain/mind/noggin (etc.)" would be so very wrong? . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#26 (permalink) Mon Apr 14, 2008 16:14 pm gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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Your test clearly states that 'brain' is incorrect. But it shouldn't be. (Or have you changed that in the meantime?)
Your last post is an excellent example of a non-answer.
EDIT: I see that you have now deleted your last post, Alan. That's something that I don't have the ability to do. Your deletion has turned your non-answer into a non-existent non-answer now. :roll: . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#27 (permalink) Mon Apr 14, 2008 22:04 pm gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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O boy... here in USA i usually hear "out of my mind"... I don't know which one would I pick...probably "head" rather than "brain" if you thing about it head is a closed object that has space inside, therefore you could get OUT of this space, but how would you get OUT of brain that doesn't have any space inside... ? I guess I would pick "head" well after all this talking I sure will remember which one is right :) |
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#28 (permalink) Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:27 am gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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. Oh, dear. Has Alan's test misled you into believing that only 'head' is correct? :shock:
Gabriela, this test question has absolutely nothing to do with the idiom 'out of one's head/mind'. That idiom has not been used in the test sentence. That's the problem. . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#29 (permalink) Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:11 am gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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Hi,
Don't you dare suggest I have misled one of our members! You really push your luck, don't you?
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#30 (permalink) Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:33 am gone out of my head vs. gone out of my brain |
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