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#32 (permalink) Fri Mar 28, 2008 22:59 pm Bad English gives a bad impression |
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| Molly wrote: |
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| What do you mean by "linguist"? |
noun: a specialist in linguistics |
Who decides whether a person is a specialist in linguistics? |
His peers, his editors, publishers, etc. Have you decided that you are one?
BTW:
"this curious tradition of diversity and challenge within the English language has always existed, since the very beginning of the language 1500 years ago."
http://www.eltnewsletter.com/back/March2000/art62000.shtml |
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Molly I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#33 (permalink) Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:49 am Bad English gives a bad impression |
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| Molly wrote: |
| Torsten wrote: |
| Molly wrote: |
| Torsten wrote: |
| What do you mean by "linguist"? |
noun: a specialist in linguistics |
Who decides whether a person is a specialist in linguistics? |
His peers, his editors, publishers, etc. Have you decided that you are one?
BTW:
"this curious tradition of diversity and challenge within the English language has always existed, since the very beginning of the language 1500 years ago."
http://www.eltnewsletter.com/back/March2000/art62000.shtml |
I thinking why diversiveness is plural diversionary biodiversities are too. No? _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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Ralf Language Coach

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#34 (permalink) Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:57 am Perception |
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I have been long absent from this discussion. In my absence, I have noticed that the temperature has risen.
First of all, everyone is free to speak however it is that they want to speak. There are no laws or regulations that will punish you. That said, there are rules of grammar that should be followed. These guidelines should be followed for the simple reason as to make communication easier. The whole point of speech, and language, is to communicate ideas. I do not understand why you would want to stray from the accepted grammatical norm of a language for no good reason other than laziness.
Yes, laziness. It is one thing to perhaps utilize a new and unorthodox form of a word to convey a feeling, concept or idea that you feel cannot be expressed by any other word already in the lexicon, but to use the plural in a case where the singular should so obviously be used, is just lazy. It creates confusion, and also gives the impression that the author does not have a full grasp of the language, and therefore, perhaps does not have a complete understanding of the ideas being expressed.
Any speech or correspondence should seek to illuminate and clarify. That is the point of language, to communicate ideas. Why do scholars so often learn German, or Latin or French? I am sure that somewhere, there is a translation in English, or in their native tongue. The reason for this added work is that some concepts and ideas cannot be switched easily between languages; they are specific to the language and culture that spawned them. To fully understand these ideas, it is necessary to understand the language, the syntax, the reason why some words mean what they mean. To create a completely bastardized language for the sake of convenience not only does a disservice to those artists of the written word that elegantly paint a picture in the mind using the beauty of a language, but it also degrades the basic level of communication amongst peoples. (Yes, sometimes you can use the plural here, for effect; basically I am referring to people of various cultures and language)
Be clear in your speak, be clear in your ideas. Languages move and shift, and change... of course; they are living and breathing like the people who speak them, but let them evolve naturally, and not through laziness. As this world gets ever smaller and closer, more and more cultures and languages will interact, and share words and ideas, let’s hope that this exchange of ideas does not include intellectual dwarfism.
A bit longwinded I know, but, I am a fan of the written word, and enjoy expressing my ideas in this medium. |
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#35 (permalink) Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:33 am Bad English gives a bad impression |
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In school, there are.
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Question is, whose rules should we follow? |
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Molly I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#36 (permalink) Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:26 pm Bad English gives a bad impression |
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| Molly wrote: |
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| There are no laws or regulations that will punish you |
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Question is, whose rules should we follow? |
Around and around in circles, Molly. Just give up. Or else just chatter about this in rarified academic circles, where people will applaud you. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#37 (permalink) Mon Mar 31, 2008 17:48 pm Bad English gives a bad impression |
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| Around and around in circles, Molly. Just give up. Or else just chatter about this in rarified academic circles, where people will applaud you. |
Troll on the loose. Begins with "J". C'mon, moderators, put a stop to it. It's your job, innit? |
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Molly I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#38 (permalink) Mon Mar 31, 2008 18:29 pm Bad English gives a bad impression |
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. There aren't many active moderators left around here, Molly. :wink: . |
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#39 (permalink) Mon Mar 31, 2008 21:20 pm Bad English gives a bad impression |
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. There aren't many active moderators left around here, Molly. :wink: . |
It seems. |
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