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 #76 (permalink) Mon Apr 21, 2008 14:57 pm Castration? |
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| Secondly, if your daughter is murdered in the US, the police will investigate it. In Egypt, the police will also investigate it, but according to human rights reports, if your Christian daughter was kidnapped, forcibly converted to Islam, forced to sleep with her "husband", then "divorced" and returned to her family, and then becomes an "apostate" by going to church with her family on Sunday, and THEN is murdered for apostasy, the police often ignore the case. |
This is hilarious stuff, Jamie. Shh, I can hear the strains of "The Star Strangled Banner", can you? |
I don't find that type of rape and murder hilarious, and I don't find it hilarious when human rights groups expose it, or when non-Muslim Egyptians come and explain to me how it happened in their families. You have a twisted sense of humor.
I didn't have to compare such a country to the US. I could just as well have used Germany, the United Kingdom or France as the example of a less-corrupt country. But when something challenges Molly's morally relativistic beliefs, she pretends it's American jingoism at work. It's a common strategy for people who can't defend their opinions.
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| I would hardly call the two levels of corruption equal, but in the world of Molly, corruption is corruption. |
In the world of Jamie, no place is like America. |
I don't think so. Germany's pretty good. The UK's pretty good. Canada's pretty good. They all have their advantages. You just create your own cartoon image of me as a jingoist, because it allows you to ignore valid points.
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| So, is my inability at work if I can't distinguish between American people and companies who hire lobbyists and this "Meanwhile, in Mexico, it's expected that the traffic cop will take a bribe, and it's considered a standard way for a policeman to supplement his income."? Are the latter more corrupt than the former, Jamie? |
Yes, that is your inability at work. Lobbyists operate under relatively tight anti-corruption laws, and they attempt to convince, rather than to buy influence (in the relatively rare cases where they attempt to buy it, it's not unusual for everybody involved to get arrested). You're probably under the delusion that all lobbyists represent "corrupt big business interests", but that's not true. There are lobbyists for small business organizations, labor unions, teachers' unions, environmental groups, human rights groups, art organizations, and almost everything one can think of.
Lobbyists are actually needed, because no one -- not even politicians -- can be fully informed of everyone's side of a given issue and how any proposed law would affect everybody. Politicians without practical knowledge of the aspects of life they are passing laws on need input from people who are in the fields affected. Even with this system, they're still likely to vote for laws that worsen a situation they are trying to fix -- especially if they've been in government all their lives and don't know anything about anything but government.
So, yes, the bribe-taking Mexican cop is much more corrupt that 99% of US lobbyists. |
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| #77 (permalink) Mon Apr 21, 2008 15:07 pm Castration? |
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| Molly can't even make moral distinctions between people who strap bombs onto little girls or retarded people deliberately to have them blow up crowds of civilians, and people who use weapons to protect the civilians. |
Who might the latter be? |
France, Great Britain, Poland and Canada, among others. |
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| #78 (permalink) Mon Apr 21, 2008 16:29 pm Castration? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| France, Great Britain, Poland and Canada, among others. |
Israel? |
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| #79 (permalink) Mon Apr 21, 2008 16:38 pm Castration? |
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I don't find that type of rape and murder hilarious, and I don't find it hilarious when human rights groups expose it, or when non-Muslim Egyptians come and explain to me how it happened in their families. You have a twisted sense of humor.
LOL! The hilarious element is your myopia, Jamie, and not the stories themselves.
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| I didn't have to compare such a country to the US. I could just as well have used Germany, the United Kingdom or France as the example of a less-corrupt country. But when something challenges Molly's morally relativistic beliefs, she pretends it's American jingoism at work. It's a common strategy for people who can't defend their opinions. |
When your opinions cease being based on lies, xenophobia, hate, cover-ups, misanthropism, paranoia, right-wing nonsense, and a Disney view of the world, come back and we'll have a proper argument. And your "I don't believe that happened that way because I believe in America and Americans" approach is not a valid point, IMO. |
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| #80 (permalink) Mon Apr 21, 2008 17:05 pm Castration? |
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There you are name-calling again. It's an easy substitute for thought, logic, moral discernment and information.
Learn to spell "xenophobia", by the way. Or get a browser with a spellchecker that does.
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| "I don't believe that happened that way because I believe in America and Americans" approach is not a valid point, IMO. |
I'm perfectly entitled to my disbelief that someone whose daughter was raped could not get any help from any police agency in his area of the US. This is absolutely preposterous, and if that was what was asserted on the TV show, then something very big is being left out of the story.
You can believe that kind of yarn if you want, but if you do, you're more deluded than any Disney lover.
And, of course, although rape is not unusual in the US, it's also very common for women to lie about rape. Sometimes it involves creative definitions of the word, but very often it involves flat-out lying about objective facts. In the more spectacular cases that have media appeal, the innocent men can have their names and images blasted all over the US by the media, only to be exonerated by objective evidence.
Now you're going to start arguing with me about the word "objective", because you think objectivity is subjective. |
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| #81 (permalink) Mon Apr 21, 2008 21:00 pm Castration? |
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| And, of course, although rape is not unusual in the US, it's also very common for women to lie about rape. |
Tell us, Jamie, what is it that some woman did to you in the past to make you the way you are? You've got this misanthrope thing real bad.
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| Now you're going to start arguing with me about the word "objective", because you think objectivity is subjective. |
Not so much subjective as tainted. What's your story I wonder. |
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| #82 (permalink) Mon Apr 21, 2008 23:32 pm Castration? |
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| And, of course, although rape is not unusual in the US, it's also very common for women to lie about rape. |
Tell us, Jamie, what is it that some woman did to you in the past to make you the way you are? You've got this misanthrope thing real bad. |
The mere assertion that some women lie when they make rape or sexual harassment accusations makes a person a misanthrope?! In that case, then, both of my sisters and almost all the women I know are misanthropic. No one ever accused them of raping anyone, so I wonder what some woman must have done to them to make them believe some rape and harassment charges are false. Were they brainwashed by knowing me? I don't think so. More likely, I was brainwashed by them, but I don't think anyone was brainwashed.
I think you're the one with a big skeleton in your closet, because you advocate the idea that women should be able to accuse any man they want and that the veracity of the charge should not be examined. Then, after he is convicted on the charges that are not allowed to be examined, you believe men should be castrated by the state. I think that's sicker and more misanthropic than believing that accusations should be evaluated on their objective merit. |
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| #83 (permalink) Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:59 am Castration? |
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You say you're a native speaker? Notice the difference in degree here:
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Jamie wrote: And, of course, although rape is not unusual in the US, it's also very common for women to lie about rape.
Then he wrote: The mere assertion that some women lie when they make rape or sexual harassment accusations makes a person a misanthrope?! |
And, learn something about discourse analysis, Jamie. Your misanthropic nature covers many of your posts.
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| I think you're the one with a big skeleton in your closet, because you advocate the idea that women should be able to accuse any man they want and that the veracity of the charge should not be examined. |
No, I think your need for constant reference to the women who have wrongly accused men of rape leads me to suspect your motives. Sure there are women who have wrongly accused men, but your obsession with such women and your need to inflate the figures is interesting to a psychiatric nurse. As a nurse, I've even worked with such women, and a lot of men who have wrongly accused other men of rape.
So, Jamie, tell us the truth, have you been wrongly accused of "wrongdoings" by a woman close to you? |
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| #84 (permalink) Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:21 am Castration? |
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| No, I think your need for constant reference to the women who have wrongly accused men of rape leads me to suspect your motives. Sure there are women who have wrongly accused men, but your obsession with such women and your need to inflate the figures is interesting to a psychiatric nurse. As a nurse, I've even worked with such women, and a lot of men who have wrongly accused other men of rape. |
My constant reference to wrongly accused men is in reaction to your arguments that they should be castrated by the state. Outside of this thread, I don't run around thinking about it much. If you had been advocating executing women convicted of child homicide, I'd be constantly referring to women falsely accused of murder. You set the subject of the thread; I didn't.
Anyway, I find it disturbing that you don't think false accusations matter when it comes to forced medical operations.
And I totally don't believe you're a psychiatric nurse for a number of reasons: (1) It would have come up by now, (2) you lack the maturity and circumspection of someone with that type of education (at least in a country where nurses require a university degree).
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| So, Jamie, tell us the truth, have you been wrongly accused of "wrongdoings" by a woman close to you? |
No.
But back to your question, my objection to false accusations or rape -- and of other things -- comes from watching innocent men, women and married couples have their lives ruined by false imprisonment and national media coverage and then be exonerated. Some of them even have their children taken away, and in many cases social workers have lied to children and said that if they testify to false sexual abuse, they will "help their parents" and "see them sooner". Of course, these social workers are betraying the children, the false testimony only helps keep the father, mother or both in prison, and the kids don't get to see their parents for years. Usually the accuser who lied is not punished.
No one should be executed or operated on by the state or by a vigilante, because there's always a chance of false accusation. |
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| #85 (permalink) Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:46 am Castration? |
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| My constant reference to wrongly accused men is in reaction to your arguments that they should be castrated by the state. |
Long time before my thread, your "bad women" posts appeared and appeared and... . Go look, Jamie. It's an obsession with you.
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| (1) It would have come up by now, (2) you lack the maturity and circumspection of someone with that type of education (at least in a country where nurses require a university degree). |
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| But back to your question, my objection to false accusations or rape -- and of other things -- comes from watching innocent men, women and married couples have their lives ruined by false imprisonment and national media coverage and then be exonerated. |
But none of those cases of false imprisonment come from actions of corrupt policemen/women, etc, right? And, you're the one who suggest we keep all accused, wrongly or rightly, of paedophilia, in prison for life, right?
1) You'd have to go back to other fora I've been posting on for a number of years now.
2) Mature enough to spot a misanthrope and bigot when I see one.
Posters and the word "women"
Jamie's posts and vocabulary:
Search found 128 matches : women
Search found 161 matches : woman
Search found 14 matches : feminist
Search found 18 matches : feminists
Molly's posts and vocabulary:
Search found 10 matches : men
Search found 14 matches : man
Search found 1 match : feminist
Search found 5 matches : feminists
And so on... |
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| #86 (permalink) Tue Apr 22, 2008 15:10 pm Castration? |
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| Molly wrote: |
Jamie's posts and vocabulary:
Search found 128 matches : women
Search found 161 matches : woman
Search found 14 matches : feminist
Search found 18 matches : feminists
Molly's posts and vocabulary:
Search found 10 matches : men
Search found 14 matches : man
Search found 1 match : feminist
Search found 5 matches : feminists
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You're kidding yourself, Molly.
Total posts Jamie - 3162
Total posts Molly - 504
That means Jamie has over 6 times as many entries as you.
Multiply your i.e. 5 matches for the word 'feminist' by 6. The result is 30 - twice as high as Jamie's. How would you interpret these findings?
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| #87 (permalink) Tue Apr 22, 2008 15:14 pm Castration? |
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Btw, we don't all share Jamie's views. I for one don't agree at all with his theory that 'radical' feminist movements from the 1970s are responsible for America's somewhat funky suing culture today.
But there's no point in pulling the troll card in troll-like fashion. Try and not take things personally, and you will find it easier to cope with differing opinions.
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| #88 (permalink) Tue Apr 22, 2008 16:32 pm Castration? |
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| Multiply your i.e. 5 matches for the word 'feminist' by 6. The result is 30 - twice as high as Jamie's. How would you interpret these findings? |
It's your interpretation I worry about, Ralf. To put it simply, maybe you need to concentrate a bit more on tongue-in-cheek posts than on tongue in cheeks posts. 
Or have you created the Jamie Fan Club? |
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| #89 (permalink) Tue Apr 22, 2008 17:28 pm Castration? |
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| I for one don't agree at all with his theory that 'radical' feminist movements from the 1970s are responsible for America's somewhat funky suing culture today. |
I think you got me wrong on that one, Ralf. Radical feminism is just one of the factors that go into the mix of America's sue-happy culture. There are more:
1. A widespread belief that if something bad happens to someone, it has to be someone else's fault.
2. The fact that in the US, the losing plaintiff doesn't have to pay the winner's legal costs.
3. The fact that US trial lawyers will take on a case for a percentage of the winnings, if they are successful, and for nothing if they lose. This means that there is no financial risk at all to the plaintiff. (On the one hand, it allows poor people to sue, but on the other hand, it encourages phony accusations.)
4. "Santa Claus juries" that award huge sums in damages even if the plaintiff can't prove his case, because they figure the corporate defendant has deep pockets and can pay for it.
There are other reasons too, but basically radical feminists and other people who feel they have group grievances simply hooked themselves to the back of a wagon that was already moving. |
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| #90 (permalink) Tue Apr 22, 2008 19:15 pm Castration? |
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Molly
You're trying to label (a favorite pastime of the American Left) Jamie as a "misanthrope" and asking him what anecdotal, woman-perpetrated crime led him to "hate" women/feminism so much.
The same could be asked of you: What have men done to you to make you blindly back feminism to this extent?
Probably some rape suits/cases are valid, while others aren't. To say that they are all valid is, pardon me, invalid per se.
You have a right to accuse me of rape. That doesn't make your accusation a valid one. (IE, the accusation itself does not lend credence to whether or not any malfeasance took place. It didn't happen just because the woman said it did.)
(not that you'd ever accuse me of that. hehe)
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