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What for? Numerous studies on the subject have revealed that sexual activity is not dependent on whether you have your balls or not.
Just remembered an old joke:
A sign at the entrance to the golf course:
Anyone caught stealing golf balls on the course will have their balls removed 
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| Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:37 am Castration? |
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| lost_soul wrote: | | What for? Numerous studies on the subject have revealed that sexual activity is not dependent on whether you have your balls or not. |
I see. So, not a solution at all, right? Why do the French then castrate convicted paedopholes?
Funny joke. Thanks. 
And how about this info?
| Quote: | Chemical castration is a form of temporary castration caused by hormonal medication. It is a preventive measure or punishment for those who have committed violent sex crimes such as rape, or for other crimes such as child sexual abuse, which may or may not be violent in nature. Depo-Provera, a progestin, is a drug that is sometimes used in treatment of sex offenders.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration |
Is it false? |
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:44 am Castration? |
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| Molly wrote: | | I see. So, not a solution at all, right? Why do the French then castrate convicted paedopholes? |
Never ask why the French do anything. It may be because of their unusual dietary habits, or it may just be because they're French.
Why did the French mandate a 35-hour work week for "job creation" for so long, even though it was known that it hurt the job market instead of helping it? Because they're French.
The French are famous for doing the opposite of what the rest of the world knows will work, just because they're French.
| Molly wrote: | And how about this info?
| Quote: | Chemical castration is a form of temporary castration caused by hormonal medication. It is a preventive measure or punishment for those who have committed violent sex crimes such as rape, or for other crimes such as child sexual abuse, which may or may not be violent in nature. Depo-Provera, a progestin, is a drug that is sometimes used in treatment of sex offenders.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration |
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As with any drug-based crime-prevention remedy, it only works if the person takes the medication. The only way to make sure the pedophile takes the medication is to keep him under surveillance in prison. And if he's in prison, you don't need to drug him to protect the public; all you have to do is keep him there.
And what do you do in the case of a false accusation and conviction? Does the government say, "Oh, I'm sorry!" and put the innocent man's balls back on? There are plenty of documented cases of people who were falsely convicted of child molestation because some other person wanted them punished for some other reason. It's no different from the way sexual harassment charges or racism charges are leveled. |
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:51 am Castration? |
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I see you have a "anti-French agenda", there, Jamie. Why not post a thread about it?
| Quote: | | The only way to make sure the pedophile takes the medication is to keep him under surveillance in prison. |
Or oblige him/her to report to a clinic once per week, for example. Many "ex"-/offender drug addicts on conditional release have to do the same.
| Quote: | | And if he's in prison, you don't need to drug him to protect the public; all you have to do is keep him there. |
For how long?
| Quote: | | It's no different from the way sexual harassment charges or racism charges are leveled. |
Do tell more. |
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:11 pm Castration? |
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| Quote: | | And what do you do in the case of a false accusation and conviction? Does the government say, "Oh, I'm sorry!" and put the innocent man's balls back on? |
See "temporary" here.
"Chemical castration is a form of temporary castration caused by hormonal medication."
And we are not only talking about punishment here, are we? We are also talking about helping the offender to avoid re-offending. How do you suggest we do the latter? |
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:22 pm Castration? |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | The only way to make sure the pedophile takes the medication is to keep him under surveillance in prison. |
Or oblige him/her to report to a clinic once per week, for example. Many "ex"-/offender drug addicts on conditional release have to do the same. |
Yes, and they often as not skip their probation, run to a different city and live under a different name, or find some other way to get out of seeing their probation officer or taking the medication. Then they run around posing the same danger to society as they did before.
| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | And if he's in prison, you don't need to drug him to protect the public; all you have to do is keep him there. |
For how long? |
Until his prison sentence is up or until he's no longer a threat to society, whichever comes last.
| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | It's no different from the way sexual harassment charges or racism charges are leveled. |
Do tell more. |
Charges of pedophilia, statutory rape, sexual harassment or racism are often leveled by people who dislike someone, want him punished, but have nothing legitimate to accuse him of. This is especially done a lot with sexual harassment and racism charges, because the criteria are vague and (at least in the US) feminists make sure there's no legal punishment for leveling false charges.
Also, it's been amply shown that children can be coached to "remember" sexual abuse that never happened, if a social worker questions the child aggressively enough. |
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:43 pm Castration? |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | And what do you do in the case of a false accusation and conviction? Does the government say, "Oh, I'm sorry!" and put the innocent man's balls back on? |
See "temporary" here. |
You didn't say "temporary" at the beginning of the thread. You talked about forcible castration. Besides, medicating is not the same as castrating, any more than it's the same as lobotomizing. So talking about administering medication as a form of castration is absurd. It's like saying that taking liver medication is the same as having your liver removed.
| Molly wrote: | "Chemical castration is a form of temporary castration caused by hormonal medication."
And we are not only talking about punishment here, are we? We are also talking about helping the offender to avoid re-offending. How do you suggest we do the latter? |
I suggest you do the latter by punishing the offender and making sure he is in prison. Letting people back out on the street and giving them "therapy" has not been effective with pedophiles. And what do you do with people who are simply psychopaths and don't care? Any adult who is not psychotic understands that you're not supposed to have sex with children, so if he does it, he should be punished. Usually punishment is motivation enough not to do something. If it's not, he should stay in prison for life, for the protection of society.
Besides, pedophilia is not caused by the human sex drive, and removing a sex organ won't stop it. Saying that castrating pedophiles will make them stop molesting is as absurd as saying that letting pedophile priests get married will stop them. Pedophilia is caused by a bundle of mental problems that are not affected by the presence or absence of a certain body part. It's not really even sexually motivated.
And what's your definition of pedophila? If a woman teacher has an affair with a 15-year-old boy in her class, she's imprisoned as a pedophile in the US, whereas in some European countries they just think the boy got lucky. If a 35-year-old male teacher gets secretly kissy with a 16-year-old girl from school, he's considered a pedophile in the US, but in some parts of Europe the local grannies are liable to think it's "romantic" and that he'll "wait for her". |
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:44 pm Castration? |
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| Quote: | | Until his prison sentence is up or until he's no longer a threat to society, whichever comes last. |
And how do we judge that he/she is no longer a threat to society?
| Quote: | | Charges of pedophilia, statutory rape, sexual harassment or racism are often leveled by people who dislike someone, want him punished, but have nothing legitimate to accuse him of. This is especially done a lot with sexual harassment and racism charges, because the criteria are vague and (at least in the US) feminists make sure there's no legal punishment for leveling false charges. |
Is that "often", or "sometimes", Jamie? |
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 13:00 pm Castration? |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | Until his prison sentence is up or until he's no longer a threat to society, whichever comes last. |
And how do we judge that he/she is no longer a threat to society? |
When he's no longer a pedophile.
| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | Charges of pedophilia, statutory rape, sexual harassment or racism are often leveled by people who dislike someone, want him punished, but have nothing legitimate to accuse him of. This is especially done a lot with sexual harassment and racism charges, because the criteria are vague and (at least in the US) feminists make sure there's no legal punishment for leveling false charges. |
Is that "often", or "sometimes", Jamie? |
In the case of pedophilia and statutory rape, I would say "sometimes". In the case of racism or sexual harassment charges, I think false accusations are more common than the legitimate ones. |
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 13:04 pm Castration? |
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| Jamie wrote: | | Never ask why the French do anything. It may be because of their unusual dietary habits, or it may just be because they're French. |
By the way, remember when you wrote about American students who consider the French gay? Well, maybe there's a element of truth in it considering that they resort to such a drastic deterrent as spaying people.
By the way, on the floor where I work there's a French person. I'm really scared now... what if he starts coming on to me! shocks!
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 13:12 pm Castration? |
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| lost_soul wrote: | | Jamie wrote: | | Never ask why the French do anything. It may be because of their unusual dietary habits, or it may just be because they're French. |
By the way, remember when you wrote about American students who consider the French gay? Well, maybe there's a element of truth in it considering that they resort to such a drastic deterrent as spaying people.
By the way, on the floor where I work there's a French person. I'm really scared now... what if he starts coming on to me! shocks! |
I didn't say the French ARE gay, I just said that American kids think French culture is gay. |
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 13:20 pm Castration? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | And what do you do in the case of a false accusation and conviction? Does the government say, "Oh, I'm sorry!" and put the innocent man's balls back on? |
Well, after apologizing and returning the balls, they can say:
--We apologized for wrongly accusing you of the crime. Now the ball is in your court
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 21:39 pm Castration? |
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| Quote: | | I didn't say the French ARE gay, I just said that American kids think French culture is gay. |
Which reveals that those kids don't know much about French culture.
| Quote: | | In the case of racism or sexual harassment charges, I think false accusations are more common than the legitimate ones. |
Aren't such "facts" published somewhere? |
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| Tue Apr 08, 2008 21:55 pm Castration? |
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| Molly wrote: | | Aren't such "facts" published somewhere? |
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
A lot of the published data will be filtered through feminist academics, who have a vested interest in exaggerating the numbers. Thus, they'll take even frivolous complaints seriously, much as they exaggerate the percentage of women who are beaten by their husbands. |
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