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| Quote: | | If you decide that smoking cigarettes is good for you, you can smoke them in private places. It's up to you to decide whether or not cigarettes are a useful product. |
So you think there is no exploitaion of so called "weaker minds" there, do you? Capitalism is innocent of all wrongdoings, right, friend?
| Quote: | | I don't know what it is, but they do. |
That you don't know, is telling. |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 13:05 pm five poor countries in the world |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | Any person can be rich by creating value for others. You can start this process instead of waiting for the CCP to relinquish power. |
And any person can become rich by exploiting others. That IS happening in many places in China. Is that an OK way to get rich, IYO? |
I have lived in a place where I got to witness the transformation of a society from Marxism to capitalism at street level.
Entrepreneurs who believed the Marxist delusion that people become rich by exploiting others (a misconception that really has its origins in old agrarian societies) generally spun their wheels and couldn't make progress. People are smart, and they don't like to be exploited, so they never go to that kind of business person twice, and they tell other people about the experience.
The people who were really visibly prospering were the ones who were giving consumers something that they wanted or needed, were honest about it, kept their promises and never swindled or exploited anybody. Customers came back to them again and again, and they talked the person's business up to other people, so that the person prospered exponentially.
The sad thing was that the business people who still had that Marxist "capitalism = exploitation" mentality were so convinced of it that they couldn't see that honesty, ethics and customer service were what was attracting people to their competitors. These business people would get angrier and angrier, thinking that their competitors had simply thought up a more efficient way of "stealing". They would redouble their efforts to exploit people, and their businesses would do even worse. |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 13:09 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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I have lived in a place where I got to witness the transformation of a society from Marxism to capitalism at street level.
Really? Was that at the same time as you witnessed no sexual harrassment?
| Quote: | | The people who were really visibly prospering were the ones who were giving consumers something that they wanted or needed, were honest about it, kept their promises and never swindled or exploited anybody. Customers came back to them again and again, and they talked the person's business up to other people, so that the person prospered exponentially. |
Now we really are in the realms of Disney.
Mind you, it's worked with you. You seem have been indoctrinated by the likes of The Heritage Foundation, so I guess they'll stay in business. |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 13:11 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | If you decide that smoking cigarettes is good for you, you can smoke them in private places. It's up to you to decide whether or not cigarettes are a useful product. |
So you think there is no exploitaion of so called "weaker minds" there, do you? |
Once you start claiming that others have "weaker minds", you're starting to get into a totalitarian mentality. Just because someone's choices are not understandable to you, it doesn't mean that the person is defective or soft in the head. It just means that you don't understand what they do or why. Not understanding someone's choices is not justification for forcing state control on him. |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 13:13 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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Once you start claiming that others have "weaker minds", you're starting to get into a totalitarian mentality.
Or a psychiatric nurse mentality.
| Quote: | | Not understanding someone's choices is not justification for forcing state control on him. |
I understand that there are people who are duped into their "choices". I understand that many people suffer from depression, for example, and are at that time weak. I understand that many of such people get into debt in the hope of alleviating that depression. Do you think credit card companies are also aware of that fact?
| Quote: | | They would redouble their efforts to exploit people, and their businesses would do even worse. |
Maquiladora and NAFTA? |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 13:40 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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| Molly wrote: | | Really? Was that at the same time as you witnessed no sexual harrassment? |
You really like to take people's words and distort them, don't you?
I didn't say that I'd witnessed "no sexual harassment". I said that in the corporate environments where I had worked, real incidences of sexual harassment were less common than false, malicious charges of sexual harassment. I said that this was probably because sexual harassment is punished and false accusations of sexual harassment are not.
You also won't like what I also saw: Women who were sexually harassed appeared to be just as likely or unlikely to file a sexual harassment complaint as women who had not. I saw a couple of incidences where some man grabbed a woman's breasts, and I encouraged the woman to file a complaint. Even thought the harasser had no power in the company, and the woman had nothing to lose, she didn't report the incident, because she didn't want to punish the man. Meanwhile, another woman DID file a sexual harassment complaint against a man because he did not sign his approval to documents he had not been allowed to examine adequately. That second incident had nothing to do with sex at all, but because the woman wanted the man punished and had no grounds for accusing him of anything, she concocted a sexual harassment charge. |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 14:29 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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| Quote: | | Meanwhile, another woman DID file a sexual harassment complaint against a man because he did not sign his approval to documents he had not been allowed to examine adequately. That second incident had nothing to do with sex at all, but because the woman wanted the man punished and had no grounds for accusing him of anything, she concocted a sexual harassment charge. |
That sounds like blackmailing ! She was trying to con him into signing the documents.
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 15:32 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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| Quote: | | You really like to take people's words and distort them, don't you? |
What's good for the goose...
| Quote: | | So you think the cigarette industry characterizes all of capitalism? |
Give us a break, St Jamie. |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 17:59 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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| lost_soul wrote: | | Quote: | | Meanwhile, another woman DID file a sexual harassment complaint against a man because he did not sign his approval to documents he had not been allowed to examine adequately. That second incident had nothing to do with sex at all, but because the woman wanted the man punished and had no grounds for accusing him of anything, she concocted a sexual harassment charge. |
That sounds like blackmailing ! She was trying to con him into signing the documents. |
It was punishment, not blackmail. She didn't want to take the blame if the documents had typos, so she tried to get him to approve them in just a couple of minutes. She made no threats, but he refused to sign them, and a few days later he was notified that he'd "sexually harassed" her. He was lucky that there was another woman in the room who testified that no harassment had occurred. |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 18:00 pm five poor countries in the world |
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Hello Torsten
You may go to North Korea for living 1 month.
The poor North Korea is running the so-called great socialism. And you will see how poor they are. when i was watching a video about the modern North Korea with my uncle, he is 45 five years old, and the video brought him back to 1980' china.everything in the vedio is the same as my uncle's age.
Once i was debating with my cousin, he's been absolutely brainwashed by that fu-cking ccp. He said: you see, the china is developing fast than any country nowadays.and china is running socialism."
I replied : the whole world is almost running capitalism. Actually, china is running capitalism , or china will not create such phrase: chinese character socialism.....
I do think the capitalist system can make you rich, as we said the poor american is richer than the poor chinese, so i would rather to be a poor american...... |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 18:01 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | So you think the cigarette industry characterizes all of capitalism? |
Give us a break, St Jamie. |
That was an honest question, and a valid one. Whenever you don't have a valid response, you give this eye-rolling "give me a break" reaction. |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 19:25 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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| Quote: | | Whenever you don't have a valid response, you give this eye-rolling "give me a break" reaction. |
How does it compare with your "anyway it's all the fault of Commies, immigrants, feminists, sexual deviants, nonnative-speakers, liberals and gays" approach? |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 21:35 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | Whenever you don't have a valid response, you give this eye-rolling "give me a break" reaction. |
How does it compare with your "anyway it's all the fault of Commies, immigrants, feminists, sexual deviants, nonnative-speakers, liberals and gays" approach? |
There you go being primitive again! |
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| Thu Apr 10, 2008 22:22 pm Five poor countries in the world |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | There you go being primitive again! |
OK, Walt. Whatever, Walt. |
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