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Because in the US there are community health centers that provide health care regardless of a person's ability to pay and even if that person doesn't have health insurance. This concept is totally foreign to a vast number of countries around world. IN the US there are hundreds of organizations that are involved in restructuring and improving the health care system and anyone who is interested has access to this information and can take an active part in the process.
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| #48 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:07 am five poor countries in the world |
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I wanna know where do you come from? if you are from one fo those five countries, then i have to tell you that: capitalism can make you rich!!!!!!
forget the stupid socialism! |
Hi Neverland,
You make it sound as if capitalism can make you rich while socialism prevents you from becoming rich. Neither capitalism nor socialism can do anything, you can only do it yourself. Any person can be rich by creating value for others. You can start this process instead of waiting for the CCP to relinquish power. You need to understand that words like 'capitalism' or 'socialism' are very vague terms to describe the way a society chooses to live. Nobody will come and change the Chinese society, you can only start changing it yourselves.
Of course it is much easier to create value in a society like the US where the majority of people have agreed to follow certain principles that allow the individual to prosper and live in freedom. It will take the Chinese several generations to build a country that can even remotely be compared to the US. |
Hello Torsten
You may go to North Korea for living 1 month.
The poor North Korea is running the so-called great socialism. And you will see how poor they are. when i was watching a video about the modern North Korea with my uncle, he is 45 five years old, and the video brought him back to 1980' china.everything in the vedio is the same as my uncle's age.
Once i was debating with my cousin, he's been absolutely brainwashed by that fu-cking ccp. He said: you see, the china is developing fast than any country nowadays.and china is running socialism."
I replied : the whole world is almost running capitalism. Actually, china is running capitalism , or china will not create such phrase: chinese character socialism.....
I do think the capitalist system can make you rich, as we said the poor american is richer than the poor chinese, so i would rather to be a poor american...... |
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| #49 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:16 am Five poor countries in the world |
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Neverland:
first: mind your language. don't use the word "F" so easily.It makes you rude and illiterate although your english is not bad.
Second: If you make more careful investigations, you will find in fact the five countries you mentioned were not the five poorest countries in the world.
Third: In China we can access to CNN, VOA, BBC,etc. But nowadays, more and more Chinese have realized that those media are biased and intend to distort facts about China(Maybe not on purpose,who knows, but what they wrote have irrated many chinese. I think they have thought what they did should have helped young chinese hate China, but unfortunately, the effect is just the opposite. If those media want to change China, it is high time that they changed their strategies.)
Forth: China is not a pure capitalism society no matter on economical sense or on political sense. It may be very similiar to capitalism economically. Besides: it doesn't matter we are socialism or capitalism, it just a name meaning nothing. The point is people's living standards here are improving.
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| #50 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:23 am Five poor countries in the world |
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Neverland:
you wrote:I do think the capitalist system can make you rich, as we said the poor american is richer than the poor chinese, so i would rather to be a poor american......
Ok if you wanna be an American, it is your own business.You have no occassion to tell everybody because the American government won't award you a medal for it.
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| #51 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:28 am Five poor countries in the world |
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| Because in the US there are community health centers that provide health care regardless of a person's ability to pay and even if that person doesn't have health insurance. |
My question was asking why those people don't have health insurance. |
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| #52 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:31 am Five poor countries in the world |
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| I do think the capitalist system can make you rich, as we said the poor american is richer than the poor chinese, so i would rather to be a poor american...... |
And how long would you be happy being a poor American in America? |
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| #53 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:34 am Five poor countries in the world |
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| It makes you rude and illiterate although your english is not bad. |
It's called getting emotional, Aleaf. Most of us understand such outburts, and some of us have them. Don't you? We who do, do not like a smart as* coming along and passing judgement on our ability to be literate. So, your "It makes you rude and illiterate although your english is not bad." comment was much ruder, IMO. One can easily tell from the rest of Neverland's post that he is far from being illiterate. So it is you who needs to control your language, isn't it?
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| But nowadays, more and more Chinese have realized that those media are biased and intend to distort facts about China(Maybe not on purpose,who knows, but what they wrote have irrated many chinese. I think they have thought what they did should have helped young chinese hate China, but unfortunately, the effect is just the opposite. If those media want to change China, it is high time that they changed their strategies.) |
Most of that media nonsense is aimed at getting the rest of the world to refuse to buy from the Chinese. It's a way of preveting China's growth. Much "let's ridicule China" nonsense comes from the US media. Obviously we can see that the US is afraid of China economic growth, etc. |
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| #54 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:21 am Five poor countries in the world |
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| You are from China and yet you critised your home soil badly!? I'm not a China Chinese, but I'm proud of China's development in the last couple of years!! The buildings and the fast pace that I've experienced in Shanghai when I was there few months back really amazed me!! (regardless there are still many backward areas in which you will find it in other countries too) Anyway, there's a saying that Chinese are "Descendents of the Dragon"!! So, be proud of it Neverland!! |
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| #55 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:29 am Five poor countries in the world |
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| aleaf wrote: |
Neverland:
first: mind your language. don't use the word "F" so easily.It makes you rude and illiterate although your english is not bad.
Second: If you make more careful investigations, you will find in fact the five countries you mentioned were not the five poorest countries in the world.
Third: In China we can access to CNN, VOA, BBC,etc. But nowadays, more and more Chinese have realized that those media are biased and intend to distort facts about China(Maybe not on purpose,who knows, but what they wrote have irrated many chinese. I think they have thought what they did should have helped young chinese hate China, but unfortunately, the effect is just the opposite. If those media want to change China, it is high time that they changed their strategies.)
Forth: China is not a pure capitalism society no matter on economical sense or on political sense. It may be very similiar to capitalism economically. Besides: it doesn't matter we are socialism or capitalism, it just a name meaning nothing. The point is people's living standards here are improving. |
Hello aleaf:
to reply you as follow :
1) I do not like use such word(fu-cking)! but i have to use it when i talk about your CCP.Cause' it is a devil.
2) I have to state that i have never said that those five countries are the poorest countries in the world. please refer to the title: Five poor countries in the world!
3) I can not open the cnn easily, neither my friends.Most of chinese think the western medias are all anti-china, actually, they are anti-ccp! I think you guys should realize it!!! CCP is not china!
4) CCP is running capitalism someway, but you ccp never admit,and you ccp is till crowing about that the CCP will lead the chinese people to the great communist society.(don't you think it's ridiculous???)
anyway i do think you've been brainwashed by your great CCP completely!
5) I have to state again: i am a chinese who hates CCP alot, but loves his own nation! |
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| #56 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:07 am Five poor countries in the world |
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| 3) Most of chinese think the western medias are all anti-china, actually, they are anti-ccp! |
I disagree. |
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| #57 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:14 am Five poor countries in the world |
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| Molly wrote: |
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| 3) Most of chinese think the western medias are all anti-china, actually, they are anti-ccp! |
I disagree. |
i also disagree you |
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| #58 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:16 am Five poor countries in the world |
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| Molly wrote: |
| Why are there 40 million Americans without health cover? |
so how many chinese without health cover?? i think more than400million!!!! |
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| #59 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:22 am Five poor countries in the world |
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| neverland wrote: |
| Molly wrote: |
| Why are there 40 million Americans without health cover? |
so how many chinese without health cover?? i think more than400million!!!! |
Is that surprising? Is it surprising that the USA has 40 million people without health cover?
And, in China, is health care better, or worse, than it once was?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/international/asia/14health.html
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For 50 years the communist government – run according to Chinese Marxist lines – took care of the health needs of the country. It dictated what was necessary and paid for it. The central, provincial, and local governments funded hospitals, and medical care was provided at either no charge or very little charge to patients.
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Now that China has moved into a more capitalistic, entrepreneurial era, hospitals have been told that they have to finance some of their own costs. This is not an easy process for hospitals or for patients. Patients are now being asked to pay for some of their care. There is currently no system of private health insurance, although many firms are looking to start such programs.
http://www.medhunters.com/articles/healthcareInChina.html |
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| #60 (permalink) Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:27 am Five poor countries in the world |
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| Molly wrote: |
| Why are there 40 million Americans without health cover? |
I think you mean health coverage.
When you consider that the US has 303 million people, 40 million isn't a bad figure. When you consider then that many statistically "uninsured" people actually are insured in real life, the 46 million figure isn't that bad.
For one thing, if you fall below what in the US is considered "the poverty line", you're automatically covered by the government if you get seriously ill. Those people go into the statistics as "not having health insurance", but in fact they're insured by the government. My taxes.
Very rich and somewhat rich people often don't need any health coverage, because even a big illness won't bankrupt them. However, the top 10 percent of wage earners pay 60 percent of the taxes in the US, so they're actually paying for the healthcare of the people on the low end of the spectrum who don't pay for their own.
Some people prefer not to buy insurance because they're younger, healthier, have high incomes or like to play the odds. At whatever stage of they're life they're in, they think taking the risk is worth it. (I did that myself for a few years.)
Some people, such as the Amish, don't buy insurance, but their overall community helps them with their medical bills. These communities negotiate with the hospitals in order to get a discount for paying cash and promising not to sue (which they don't believe in doing anyway).
Then there's an interesting class of people: Those who have been diagnosed with some illness, such as lupus, but who are so far suffering no effects. The private insurers usually won't take them because they're sick. Meanwhile, the government also won't take them, because they're NOT sick. These people usually find jobs with health insurance, and they're covered.
Besides, without a comprehensive government health plan, we have better medical outcomes than in countries that have universal socialized medical care. The UK has universal socialist medicine, but the death rate from cancer after diagnosis is at least double what it is in the US where we have private coverage. The reason is that in socialized medicine the government medical bureaucracy moves so slowly that between diagnosis and first treatment so much time can pass that the cancer may become incurable. In the US, you can usually get your first treatment within the same week, if not the same day.
Canada has socialized medicine, and there's big business in the US treating illnesses that the Canadian government hospitals are too slow at treating. Many people have to wait years for hip replacement in Canada, so a lot of them get it in the US, where you can have it done within a couple of weeks. |
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