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Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:57 am Wrong accent! |
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Hi,
Talking about accents I often wonder what Americans think about English actors on TV trying to play Americans. Do you fall about when they attempt an American accent? The failed attempt to sound like a cockney chimney sweep that is often quoted is when Dick van Dyke tries it in the film Mary Poppins. There is an American soap going by the name of House where the lead is played by an English actor, John Laurie, known here principally in TV adaptations of P G Wodehouse stories in which he couldn't be more British. Have you seen it? I've tried not to watch it! But what about Laurie's accent?
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Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:32 am Wrong accent! |
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| Alan wrote: | | There is an American soap going by the name of House where the lead is played by an English actor, John Laurie, known here principally in TV adaptations of P G Wodehouse stories in which he couldn't be more British. | He must have changed more than his accent. In North America, we call the guy who plays the lead in the show House "Hugh Laurie".  . _________________ Amy
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Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:39 pm Wrong accent! |
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If the British actor is very good at the accent, we can't even tell he's not American. I thought Hugh Laurie was American until just now when I looked him up in Wikipedia. However, once in a while someone tries to do things on the cheap, you get an actor who's a bad accent mimic, and it gets funny.
Several years ago, there was a British comedy shown in the US called Four Weddings and a Funeral that had a British actor trying to play a Texan. He had almost no lines, but every time he opened his mouth, something was funny. My brother and I burst out laughing when we heard his first line, which was nothing more than "yes". It was so obvious he was British that we found it very amusing. There was an episode of Fawlty Towers in which an Irishman or Scotsman plays a belligerent American hotel guest, and he simply sounds like an Irishman or Scotsman misusing American idioms.
I've heard some very bad American accents in the recordings that come with British ESL textbooks. The Cambridge English Course had an actor on the recordings who was supposed to be Canadian but sounded like he was from the US. In a couple of exercises he tried to play a Texan, and it was embarrassing. Also, when such materials feature an American speaker it's often clear that the person has lived in the UK for many years and doesn't speak "real American" anymore. But I give them credit for using a variety of accents. Similar materials in the US have only American broadcast English, and so my students end up unable to understand people from Boston or England.
What comes off REALLY strange, though, is not when a British actor imitates an American accent, but when a British screenwriter puts dialogue into the mouths of American actors and it isn't adapted. You'll recognize this when there are Americans enthusiastically calling everything "brilliant" or "lovely". It's especially odd to hear an American man using "lovely" for anything other than women and flowers. It seems very effeminate to us, although it doesn't seem odd to us when British men do it. |
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Sat Apr 19, 2008 14:03 pm Wrong accent! |
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Hi,
Thanks for the correction, Amy. I was thinking of another actor called 'John Laurie' but the guy I'm talking about is of course Hugh Laurie.
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Sat Apr 19, 2008 14:24 pm Wrong accent! |
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| Alan wrote: | Hi,
Talking about accents I often wonder what Americans think about English actors on TV trying to play Americans. Do you fall about when they attempt an American accent? |
Hi Alan,
The same applies to Brits trying to sound Irish. There's the main character in Woody Allen's brilliant Match Point who is supposed to be Irish. But the actor (Jonathan Rhys Meyers) has an English accent as pure as the driven slush. But I didn't find it annoying, only slightly bemusing as he would say the odd word in an Irish way. _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more about: Ralf Breheny |
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Sat Apr 19, 2008 14:33 pm Wrong accent! |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | I've heard some very bad American accents in the recordings that come with British ESL textbooks. The Cambridge English Course had an actor on the recordings who was supposed to be Canadian but sounded like he was from the US. In a couple of exercises he tried to play a Texan, and it was embarrassing. Also, when such materials feature an American speaker it's often clear that the person has lived in the UK for many years and doesn't speak "real American" anymore. But I give them credit for using a variety of accents. Similar materials in the US have only American broadcast English, and so my students end up unable to understand people from Boston or England. |
Hi Jamie,
I know what you mean. Sometimes it's really embarrassing. And I have first hand experience - last year there was this guy who was looking for a native speaker (from England) with business-fluent German. He was in the process of recording a language learners' CD, but poorly networked. I ended up working for him and tried my best to sound English when reading his prefabricated texts. He was reasonably happy with the outcome, but I thought it sounded absolutely ridiculous. _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more about: Ralf Breheny |
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Sun Apr 20, 2008 20:38 pm Wrong accent! |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | I thought Hugh Laurie was American until just now when I looked him up in Wikipedia. | I know what you mean, Jamie.
I had seen Hugh Laurie in TV shows and movies before he started doing the sitcom House. But I'd only ever heard him with a British accent.
By the time I moved back to the US, I was already familiar enough with Hugh Laurie that I new him by name. However, when I watched House for the first time, I didn't recognize him immediately. His American accent threw me completely. I knew that I knew him, but for a good 15 minutes or so I couldn't figure out who he was or where I knew him from.  . _________________ Amy
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Mon Apr 21, 2008 18:54 pm Wrong accent! |
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the American accent seem to be very popular everywhere! in Ghana now especially on the university campus you hear a whole lot of students pronouncing the T's as Ds and sounding nasal and all that i think it is because when they do that other students think highly of them as having travelled or perhaps lived in America! buddy kingus |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 0:11 am Wrong accent! |
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| buddykingus wrote: | | the American accent seem to be very popular everywhere! in Ghana now especially on the university campus you hear a whole lot of students pronouncing the T's as Ds and sounding nasal and all that i think it is because when they do that other students think highly of them as having travelled or perhaps lived in America! |
But, of course, many Americans will dislike their speech if it sounds nasal. We make fun of it in other Americans. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:58 am Wrong accent! |
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| ...better to be nasal than overly rounded though -- laweek, ehoo mawee gawd! |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:07 am Wrong accent! |
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| there's quite a bit of accental variety here... I rail on the rounded Cali vowels, but I can generally understand what they're saying. What do you guys think are the hardest accents to understand? To me, the toughest American accent to understand would probably be the (or an) Appalachian accent. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:32 am Wrong accent! |
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| Quote: | | I looked up the actress who played the younger daughter, and it turned out she was, in fact, from France. It appears the studio simply cast her in the part without worrying much that her accent wasn't normal for a poor American country girl, which was the part she was playing. |
Suspension of disbelief needed there, Jamie?
I once saw a black actor play King Lear! It's only theatre in the end. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:48 am Wrong accent! |
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| prezbucky wrote: | | there's quite a bit of accental variety here... I rail on the rounded Cali vowels, but I can generally understand what they're saying. What do you guys think are the hardest accents to understand? To me, the toughest American accent to understand would probably be the (or an) Appalachian accent. |
I've only ever run into one American I couldn't understand, and he was speaking some kind of Ebonics, but I couldn't tell from where, because if he'd been speaking normal Ebonics, I'd have understood him. He was very frustrated with me, but I can understand West African creole better than I could understand that guy.
I think Appalachians are easy to understand.
The most interesting thing is when some girl has that California Valley Girl accent and doesn't lose it in adulthood. A national news station once tapped a local TV station for a report on a murder or terrorist attack or something tragic, but the reporter had that accent and sounded the whole time like she was joking. Here whole report sounded unintentionally satirical. After that, the national network got a different reporter from that area. I find that accent is generally lost a few months after the woman graduates from college and gets her first serious job. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:51 am Wrong accent! |
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| Quote: | | I'd have understood him. He was very frustrated with me, but I can understand West African creole better than I could understand that guy. |
Which West African creoles do you understand? |
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