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Sat Apr 19, 2008 18:43 pm Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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| There is a historical problem with governments using the Olympic Games to polish their worldwide public image and cover up their human rights abuses. The Nazis did this in the 1930s, the Soviets did it in the 1980s, and now the Chinese government is doing it. They commonly start "cleaning up" a year or more before the games by arresting a lot of people who legitimately disagree with the government. This year, in China, that includes many people who try to practice their religion freely, but it also includes people who are active in promoting democracy and respect for human rights. Typically the dictatorships depict these people as criminals, partly by lumping them into one category with people who really are criminals. When people outside the country protest this, these governments say that the Olympic Games should not be mixed with politics, but they themselves mix the Olympic Games with politics. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:50 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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Surpport Beijing Olympc Games~~ Good luck China.
I know China isn't perfect. No perfect countries whatsoever. We will solve the problems gradually. But nobody is expected to poke his nose to China's internal affaires.
This time stupid west media totally destoryed their own images in common Chinese's mind in a stupid way. Many Chinese was always complaining Chinese media "lie". But now it dawn on them, many overseas media are even more contemptible which make many Chinese think over the true faceand intention of them.
In doing so they are lifting a rock only to drop it on their own feet.Goofed it up. |
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qs I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:53 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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Human right? The united States should pay more attention to her own business. There already exist so many "abuse" which do harm to human rights. Every government deprives of human rights just in different ways. |
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qs I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:08 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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"This year, in China, that includes many people who try to practice their religion freely, but it also includes people who are active in promoting democracy and respect for human rights. Typically the dictatorships depict these people as criminals, partly by lumping them into one category with people who really are criminals. "
I know many Chinese activists were blown up by certain people, but they were totally forgotten when they became "has-beens". They were abandoned when they uttered even a word about criticizing false western democracy. Pitiful... they weren't accepted by the both sides.
One lady of such has beens ever said:" i pursue truth my whole life, but in the end I am not admitted by both groups." truth? whose truth? it depends.She and her families live in France,her son commited suicide because of zeal to a certain religion so she criticized the religion(fa lun gong). but nobody believed or listened to her. She suddenly realized that a democratic country giving rights even to catties and doggies ignored a huamn being's rights. How ironic it is. |
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qs I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:19 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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Fa Lun Gong -> a group of swindlers are awarded the title"activists for religion". Dalai Lama was rewarded the Nobel Prize.
what a world! |
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:37 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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| qs wrote: | Human right? The united States should pay more attention to her own business. There already exist so many "abuse" which do harm to human rights. Every government deprives of human rights just in different ways. |
Last I knew, the US, Canada, the UK, France and Germany didn't hold people on laogai camps (so-called "reeducation camps") for 19 years without telling them what they were charged with or giving them a jury trial. Last I knew, none of those countries arrested people for going to churches that were not government controlled. I don't know if you can tell me a time when the US had its army start blasting machine guns at protesters in its own country and killing thousands of them, as the People's "Liberation" Army did on the orders of your Nobel Peace Prize winner.
You're using a common tactic of people who don't want to look at their own failings. A man tells his wife she is starting to gain too much weight, and she immediately points to their neighbor who is also gaining weight. The fact that their neighbor is fat doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with her gaining weight. Similarly, if you talk to a typically insulated Chinese about the human rights situation in his own country, he immediately starts pointing the finger at other countries.
The other bogus argument is to bring up the term "internal affairs". Unlike the average Chinese citizen who has never left China, most people in the world don't consider human beings to be property of the state and don't think the state has the right to imprison or kill them as it pleases. This term "internal affairs" is used often by dictators and their minions when they want to oppress or murder people without interference.
How long have you lived outside of China, by the way? |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:32 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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You would be suprised what may happend when more and more people worldwide would be better informed about China everyday problems,their attitude to international matters and the way how Chinese try to explain all of it. Chinese nationalism is even more danger in my opinion like Chinese communism. Jan |
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Jan I'm here quite often ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:40 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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"...without telling them what they were charged with or giving them a jury trial. " Don't say that before you clearly know what you are saying.
"...none of those countries arrested people for going to churches that were not government controlled..." They wouldn't have been arrested if they hadn't broken laws.
" I don't know if you can tell me a time when the US had its army start blasting machine guns at protesters in its own country and killing thousands of them" Have we? Are you referring to Tian' anmen incident? thousands of? are you crazy? the number should be around thirties. Thousands of? I am living in Beijing, but if the number is thousands of , the city should be blooding at that time. How could it be? Think about it using your brain. Or might be you are talking about 1959, Tibetan incident? Yeah the number should be thousands of. Why? Let me tell you. The rebels cruely killed communist officials and some even drew their entrails. Ok you could once again say I was cheated. I lied. Believe it or not, it pepends on you. Know why there are so many websites being blocked in China? They are spreading rumors, but when Chinese communists want to explain, nobody believes or listens to them. If you were the communist, what should you do? If you regard Dalai Lama as a hero, it is your right. Learn some history about Tibet before 1950, learn more about this Tibetan incident on March 14 and go on respecting him, I don't care.
"You're using a common tactic of people who don't want to look at their own failings" failing? We'll see about that.
"A man tells his wife she is starting to gain too much weight, and she immediately points to their neighbor who is also gaining weight. The fact that their neighbor is fat doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with her gaining weight. Similarly, if you talk to a typically insulated Chinese about the human rights situation in his own country, he immediately starts pointing the finger at other countries."
I don't care human rights in other countries at all. Why should I, there are lots of problems in Chian. I think if his neighbour hasn't teasing the husband, why the husband complained about him? The truth is China is the fat husband, some activists is the wife and America or some other countries are the fat neighbor.
The wife :"go on diet, you are overweight.Look our neighbor, he is so handsome." The husband:" Are you crazy? the guy is as fat as me!" The neighbour:"Look man you are so fat. Go on diet." The husband:"Don't be silly, you are the same." But the problem is the wife has a crush on the neighbour. |
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qs I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:56 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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"The other bogus argument is to bring up the term "internal affairs". Unlike the average Chinese citizen who has never left China," You are right, they bongus lots of argument beacuse those people suffered a lot when those internal affairs were externalized which turned out to be nothing but worsen the situation. Thell me just a time, alient forces did good to help chinese people solve their problem.
.."most people in the world don't consider human beings to be property of the state.." Hehehe yeah It is the reason that the United States regard all human beings as her property and feel pround of it.
"don't think the state has the right to imprison or kill them as it pleases.." I can't agree more? Whom are you referring to ? Guantánamo prisoners who are leading a happy life there. The former legal president of Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia?
"This term "internal affairs" is used often by dictators and their minions when they want to oppress or murder people without interference."
Yes it is true, but at the same time the externalization of the internal affairs is a weapon for a certain countries to teach others freely. |
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qs I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:13 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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I had the hope that it would be enough courage not to send sportsmen to China, after knowing more and more about Chinese now I would consider this as the everybody duty to keep away from Chinese olympic games. This is really our shame.
Why people are afraid to say the true that nobody should cooperate in this " peace " theatre.
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Jan I'm here quite often ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:32 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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I had the hope that it would be enough courage not to send sportsmen to China,
Do it do it. Let me see your true face. Now you know why Chinese government didn't allow people to be abroad freely before and block some websites now.
"after knowing more and more about Chinese now I would consider this as the everybody duty to keep away from Chinese Olympic games."
Thanks I am very happy foreigners like you keeping away from us.
"This is our shame."
This is really your shame. Yeah and what's more shameful is you gave the chinese government's right to hold an olymic games several years ago but want to treat China just right before the games's nearing. Dirty!
The more I talk to you the more I understand the reason there are so many advacators overseas. |
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qs I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:43 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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Chinese nationalism is even more danger in my opinion like Chinese
We love China so we are called nationalists? Danger? Yes, we are dangerous to those stupid say nonsense to Chinese.
We are dangerous? we haven't made military bases all over the world and our soliders didn't rape the local girls. We didn't invade a country so easily. We didn't tell other countries what to do. Who is the first one owned the nuclear weapons but now forbids others to develope their own? The nuclear weapons in your hands is to protect human beings but a treat when in others' hands.
What a philosophy..... |
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:46 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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| Do you really regard youself as a human right guard? A saint? 混蛋 |
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qs I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:46 am Hope olympic games will be held successfully |
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I had the feeling that Chinese government is sending to study abroad not just everybody but hardproof loyalist, and you are one of them are you trying to say that somebody like me had any right to decide where are Olympic games to be.?? You are one of mad Nationalist even not comunist because every right thinking comunist would be ashame of such aggresion to foreign country. You knowledge of history is like book with white pages you know what you wanted to know. Tibet has same rights as Chine to exist and it is completly nothing wrong with their desire to live free. Jan I am going to throw to garbage all the shity Chinese products from my house, selection would be done imedietly after return home what would be worth a bit would stay. |
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Jan I'm here quite often ;-)
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