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 #17 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:21 am Usage of 'bit' |
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So, what about early and earlier? After your discussion it is a confusing point to me. Before it I was sure that earlier is correct.
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| #18 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:26 am Usage of 'bit' |
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| I would say that "earlier" is prescriptively correct, but "early" is used by some speakers in that context. |
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| #19 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:04 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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| Inga wrote: |
| So, what about early and earlier? After your discussion it is a confusing point to me. Before it I was sure that earlier is correct. |
If you use "earlier", you need to be more specific "earlier than WHAT".
Early does not require defining a specific time.
Read this post : http://www.english-test.net/forum/ftopic24295.html#81553 |
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| #20 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:08 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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| If you use "earlier", you need to be more specific "earlier than WHAT". |
Not at all. You can say "Can you come earlier tomorrow" and be totally understood as expressing comparison with an previous or present situation. |
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| #21 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:10 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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To me, 'early' simply means before the usual or scheduled/planned time, and there really is not any direct comparative aspect in the sentence. "Come a little bit early" basically means "Come a few minutes before the planned/expected time."
Using the word 'earlier' suggests the word 'than' and a direct comparison to something specific. Unless you specifically state something such as "earlier than usual" or "earlier than planned" pr "earlier than you did today" or "earlier than last time" (etc.), or those ideas are clear from the broader context, I would not understand the sentence "Come a bit early" to be specifically comparative.
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| #22 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:11 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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Exactly. and "a bit" means "a bit more than what" therefore is used with earlier!
With this exception.
He arrived "a bit" early last week didnt he? ... OK
But in a direct question you cannot say?
Will you be a bit early? ... THIS IS RUBBISH!
It should be
Will you be early (rather than late) ... or
Will you be a bit earlier than last week, because my Mother is visiting!
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| #23 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:12 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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| OH MAN .... Have you all forgot the original THEME here ??????????? |
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| #24 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:14 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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But in a direct question you cannot say?
Will you be a bit early? ... THIS IS RUBBISH! |
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| #25 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:16 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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The American Heritage Dictionary categorizes 'a bit' as an idiom:
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To a small degree; somewhat: a bit warm. |
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| #26 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:16 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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| Yankee wrote: |
The American Heritage Dictionary categorizes 'a bit' as an idiom:
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To a small degree; somewhat: a bit warm. |
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| #27 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:19 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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LISTEN ..... Lost Soul
Do this ....
If you use "a bit" in a direct question .... use a comparative
If you use "a bit" in a "question tag" form then a comparative is not always required. (remember that a question tag is a statement related question... you offer the statement)
Otherwise just use early. Look at my past examples and Molly's for the correct information.
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| #28 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:20 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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Clearly that means that the comparative form of 'early' is not automatically necessary.
I disagree with HamburgerEnglish on this point.
Or do you and HE claim that people would always have to say "It's a bit warmer"? 
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| #30 (permalink) Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:24 pm Usage of 'bit' |
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Yankee
It's a bit warmer .... IS NOT A DIRECT QUESTION !!!!!!
You can say its a bit warmer (meaning compared to an assumed past point in time)
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You can say it is a bit warm (meaning your own feeling)
But either way the are not direct questions !!
Sheeesh .... Please ask me as many questions as you like if you want to learn ... but please dont then argue with the teacher!!
Teachers are for giving apples to .... LOL
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