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| #49 (permalink) Mon May 19, 2008 23:05 pm Bush's job rating |
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| Bush's approval rating is around 20%.. That says a lot about how incompetent he was as the president. |
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| #50 (permalink) Mon May 19, 2008 23:09 pm Bush's job rating |
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| Children don't choose their parents, but adults choose their mentors, so that analogy isn't valid when it comes to Obama. He chose the racist, and there was no missing the fact that the guy was racist, because he yelled it out from the pulpit almost every week. Other prominent black figures were so sickened by it that they left, but Obama stayed for 20 years. |
Do you have any proof that his pastor was preaching the same racist thing again and again for 20 years? or it is your sad assumption?
Can you prove that Obama knows the pastor was racist but still chose him as his pastor?
What happened was, one day, the pastor chose to shout some racist remarks, which is not uncommon in USA.
So what about the other black people who were present in the church when the pastor yelled it out? They're all racist too and they need to be chucked out of USA?
and how are you sure McCain is not a racist? because he never had a racist pastor?  One can be a racist and portray himsef/herself as a non-racist person. We will never know whether Bush and McCain are racist or not. |
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| #51 (permalink) Mon May 19, 2008 23:22 pm Bush's job rating |
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At least now he's gone and we're trying to build a truly democratic Iraq, instead of allowing a one-ballot-choice dictator to keep free reign.
That should be "trying to help build", shouldn't it? |
USA made Saddam what he was and when he became USA's enemy, they wanted to kill him.. how desperate.
Why's your president poking his nose into other country's business? is it becuase USA is a great country and Americans have everything in their way? I'd advise him to rebuild his own country which is going nowhere  |
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| #52 (permalink) Tue May 20, 2008 4:22 am Bush's job rating |
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| How's G Bush better than Saddam Husein? |
AAAAAAAAAAAA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
You really haven't read much about Saddam, have you? |
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| #54 (permalink) Tue May 20, 2008 4:33 am Bush's job rating |
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| Justice wrote: |
| Bush's approval rating is around 20%.. That says a lot about how incompetent he was as the president. |
As I've mentioned, the approval rating of the Democrats in Congress runs about 10 points lower than Bush's. What does that say about the Democrats?
A low approval rating can also be the result of a constant drumbeat of propaganda, and yes, lies about a president. Some very great presidents had very low approval ratings in their second terms. |
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| #55 (permalink) Tue May 20, 2008 4:41 am Bush's job rating |
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| Justice wrote: |
| Do you have any proof that his pastor was preaching the same racist thing again and again for 20 years? or it is your sad assumption? |
The church sold videotapes of his rants all that time, so it's well documented that the man was spewing that venom for decades.
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| Can you prove that Obama knows the pastor was racist but still chose him as his pastor? |
Witnesses who attended the church at various times over those decades claim that it was impossible not to know it.
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| So what about the other black people who were present in the church when the pastor yelled it out? They're all racist too and they need to be chucked out of USA? |
Who's talking about chucking anyone out of the US? We're just talking about making sure someone doesn't become president.
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| and how are you sure McCain is not a racist? because he never had a racist pastor? One can be a racist and portray himsef/herself as a non-racist person. We will never know whether Bush and McCain are racist or not. |
Yes, we will never know, and that's one of the qualities that makes a person suitable to hold public office. A racist who is able to hide it and not act on it in his policies is preferable to someone who follows a racist mentor and writes racist things in his autobiographies. People have all kinds of racist and tribal sentiments resulting from experiences in their past, but the important thing is that they know the feelings are wrong and don't act on them. |
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| #57 (permalink) Tue May 20, 2008 12:11 pm Bush's job rating |
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| People have all kinds of racist and tribal sentiments resulting from experiences in their past, but the important thing is that they know the feelings are wrong and don't act on them. |
So, many of such people should not vote for McCain, right, Jamie? |
You're assuming that racists are all white and hate blacks. There are many racists who are black and hate whites, and they vote for Obama. In fact, it's known that African Americans in general vote based on race. Then you have racists on the Democrat side who don't understand that they're racist but think of themselves as "enlightened". Although they'll never admit it, they tend to think of blacks as inferior to whites, and they back policies that make sure blacks can't reach their potential. This is often called "The Democrat Plantation". While they operate on an assumption of black inferiority, if any politician backs policies that let blacks make their own decisions, judges blacks by the the same standards as other races, and tries to help them succeed on their own, the liberal racists will shriek that he's racist.
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| "David Plouffe tells Linda Douglass that real racists are probably voting Republican in any case:" |
Oh! David Plouffe! I see! Who's he? He's got less influence on public political opinion than Mickey Mouse does.
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Now why did McCain do this?
"Many may not be aware that Senator John McCain voted against making Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. Day a federal holiday in 1983. He later apologized for this vote and claimed it was a mistake." |
He did it for the same reason the majority of the Arizona legislature did it. They didn't vote for a "Rev. Martin Luther King Jr." holiday, but a "Civil Rights Day". This is based on the (true) belief that civil rights belong to all people of all races and not just to blacks. Many people of all races fought and died for civil rights, the civil rights movement didn't start with Dr. King, and it didn't end with Dr. King. So to honor Dr. King and all the people who struggled and even died in the fight for civil rights, they wanted an all-encompassing "Civil Rights Day".
Ultimately, it was a mistake or McCain for any politician to vote for that, because there were racist people who did not want a holiday commemorating civil rights and the civil rights movement, but wanted a "black-only" holiday commemorating a "black man". Even though their motives were racist, they pointed the racism finger at the people who were trying to be "all-inclusive". It was an absurd charge, but the media always buy into stuff like that. So the people with nonracist motives got tarred with the racism label by the people who were racially motivated. |
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| #58 (permalink) Tue May 20, 2008 15:04 pm Bush's job rating |
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You're assuming that racists are all white and hate blacks.
Am I? where?
My question was: "So, many of such people should not vote for McCain, right, Jamie?"
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| They didn't vote for a "Rev. Martin Luther King Jr." holiday, but a "Civil Rights Day". This is based on the (true) belief that civil rights belong to all people of all races and not just to blacks. |
In which way would you rename:
Washington's Birthday
Columbus Day
Christmas Day
St Valentine's Day
John F. Kennedy Day
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| He did it for the same reason the majority of the Arizona legislature did it. They didn't vote for a "Rev. Martin Luther King Jr." holiday, but a "Civil Rights Day". |
It seems McCain was against the introduction of any Day whatsoever:
"In a February 2000 interview with ABC News, McCain said his initial opposition to a holiday was based on his belief that “it was not necessary to have another federal holiday, that it cost too much money, that other presidents were not recognized.”
Asked on Monday why he shifted his position and later supported a state measure creating a holiday, McCain told reporters that he “learned (that King) was a transcendent figure in American history. He deserved to be honored and that I thought it was appropriate to do so.”'
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/03/mccain-reversal-on-mlk-holiday-an-issue-as-he-visits-memphis/#more-1846
Seems McCain shifts "camps" quite readily:
'his short-lived support for South Carolina’s right to fly the confederate flag over the statehouse during the 2000 primary. He later reversed his position on the flag and called for its removal, referring his initial position an “act of cowardice.”' |
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| #60 (permalink) Mon Jun 30, 2008 21:17 pm Bush's job rating |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Justice wrote: |
| How's G Bush better than Saddam Husein? |
AAAAAAAAAAAA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
You really haven't read much about Saddam, have you? |
I have read about both.. Both are clowns. If Bush was Iranian president, he'll ba labelled a "dictator" by now. |
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| Have you read Wilbur Smith? | The essay "English goes to America" was amazing |
