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Wed May 07, 2008 20:59 pm Subject and verb agreement |
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Hi,
Possibly the use of 'are' in your example is that the speaker/writer is thinking of 'numbers' and not thinking about 'a set'. Technically it would be: There is a set ... but then we're all human!
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Wed May 07, 2008 23:17 pm Subject and verb agreement |
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Thank you so very much Alan, for your interest in helping us by your forum -I see you are a Co-founder- and your quick response. I believe there are a lot of people like me out there who love and work with the language and sometimes we just do not know where to turn to when we are in doubt or do need to come up with an answer for people who expects us to have it.
I really appreciate your kind response and am looking forward to be part of the forum.
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Thu May 08, 2008 22:57 pm Subject and verb agreement |
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Alan, do you subscribe to the penchant of British football broadcasters for voicing sentences like the following?:
"The side are faltering."
"Manchester United are throttling Liverpool today at Old Trafford."
IE, taking a seemingly singular subject (team, side, proper team name, etc.) and pairing it with the third-person plural form of the verb? |
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Fri May 09, 2008 7:28 am Subject and verb agreement |
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Hi,
Yes, I'm quite happy with this use of the plural verb when the subject grammatically indicates singular. I follow the line that 'is' applies when you don't know or are not connected with the subject. To me this suits: The French government is .......... The government here are .............
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Fri May 09, 2008 20:43 pm Subject and verb agreement |
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I figured that they do it because a team is comprised of more than one person -- in other words, they're choosing to treat "team" or "side" as the multiple parts of that team, as opposed to the singular whole -- but also I get what you're saying.
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prezbucky I'm a Communicator ;-)

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Fri May 09, 2008 20:48 pm Subject and verb agreement |
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Dear Alan and Prezbucky,
Thanks for your interest in my question; both your responses are interesting and enlightening.
Nevertheless, in a formal, serious, business context, which one would you use? written? orally?
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Fri May 09, 2008 21:14 pm Subject and verb agreement |
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Hi,
I wouldn't change it. The example I chose about the two governments could well be used in a respectable news broadcast.
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