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#2 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 7:18 am Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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she doesn't like her present - "I would have thought that she LIKED her present.'' she didn't like her present - "I would have thought that she WOULD HAVE LIKED her present.' |
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#3 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 7:21 am Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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But they are not conditional sentences ? _________________ Don't see your shade think you are great |
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#4 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 7:37 am Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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| duc wrote: |
| But they are not conditional sentences ? |
If you'd asked me, I would have said that...
counterfactuals |
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#5 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 10:48 am Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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Forgive my stupidity ,but I don't understand what you mean.As I looked up in the Cambridge dictionary http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=91575&dict=CALD and I used ''would have thought...'' as it says,but I really don't understand it.I would very glad if you explain them for me .the two ''would have...'' Here is my problem _________________ Don't see your shade think you are great |
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#6 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 11:38 am Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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Please help me as soon as possible. _________________ Don't see your shade think you are great |
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#7 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 11:43 am Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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| duc wrote: |
| Please help me as soon as possible. |
I don't see your problem.
Before you revealed the truth to me, I would've thought she would've liked her present. |
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#8 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 11:50 am Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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Forgive my stupidity ,but I don't understand what you mean.As I looked up in the Cambridge dictionary http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=91575&dict=CALD and I used ''would have thought...'' as it says,but I really don't understand it.I would very glad if you explain them for me .the two ''would have...'' Here is my problem _________________ Don't see your shade think you are great |
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Duc I'm here quite often ;-)
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#9 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 11:52 am Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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By the way ,I don't understand what ''counterfactuals'' means _________________ Don't see your shade think you are great |
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#10 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 15:53 pm Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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We call this (WOULD HAVE LIKED) Future in the Past. You think (now) she will like the present. Referring to the Past, will becomes would. _________________ I am an incurable optimist. |
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#11 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 15:53 pm Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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or not?  _________________ I am an incurable optimist. |
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#12 (permalink) Fri May 09, 2008 15:59 pm Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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| But ''I find it surprising that she didn't like her present'' has the same meaning as "I would have thought that she WOULD HAVE LIKED her present'' and I think with the difference in tense they would be not equal at all. |
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#13 (permalink) Sun May 11, 2008 13:30 pm Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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Hi all
Maybe we should look at a few variations of the sentence and the meanings:
1. I think she will like her present. I know that there is a plan to give her a present in the future. It is my opinion that she will like it. However, she hasn't received the present yet and I don't know for a fact that she will like it.
2. I thought she would like her present. Both halves of this sentence are factual: It tells you factually what I thought in the past (up to now or before she got her present) and it accurately reports my past prediction. This sentence follows a standard pattern for 'reported speech'. What I thought before is now finished. I know something different now. Now I know that she didn't like her present when she received it.
3. I would have thought that she would have liked her present. Both halves of the sentence refer to an unreal past -- neither half is factual because neither actually happened. It suggests that before now, I didn't know that there was a plan to give here a present and therefore it was not possible for me to have an opinion about whether she would like it when she received it. However, if you had asked me (in the past) to predict the future (her reaction), I would have predicted a reaction that was different from the past reaction that you've just now told me about. The fact that she didn't like her present is surprising to me because it is not the reaction I would have otherwise expected.
I don't know whether any of the above helps, but nevertheless that's my two cents.
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#14 (permalink) Sun May 11, 2008 13:55 pm Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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| And it may also not be conditional: |
"Knowing her, I would have thought that she would have liked that present." |
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#15 (permalink) Mon May 12, 2008 5:35 am Speacial usage of 'would have V-ed" |
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| So,does the sentence ''I would have thought that she would have liked her present.'' sounds natural to you ,Amy ? |
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