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"that" (The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.) #1 (permalink) Tue May 13, 2008 3:35 am   "that" (The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.)
 

Is this OK?

The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.
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"that" #2 (permalink) Tue May 13, 2008 6:54 am   "that"
 

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"that" #3 (permalink) Tue May 13, 2008 7:05 am   "that"
 

Is it "much severer" or "more severe"?
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"that" #4 (permalink) Tue May 13, 2008 10:12 am   "that"
 

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I actually thinking that I don't need to use that because my first sentence was; The winter in New York is much severe than Tokyo. But when I review it I'm just thinking that how about if I put that, and I am right. I'm happy learning from you, sir.
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"that" #5 (permalink) Tue May 13, 2008 10:18 am   "that"
 

Molly wrote:
Is it "much severer" or "more severe"?


Hi Molly,

Thanks for your note. I actually don't know the rule on when to use much and more. As far as I understand, I need to use much when it is uncountable nouns like much money, much traffic, much water etc. And I use more on, more beautiful and etc.
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"that" #6 (permalink) Tue May 13, 2008 10:22 am   "that"
 

I also don't know. Let's see if Mr M answers.
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"that" (The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.) #7 (permalink) Tue May 13, 2008 16:40 pm   "that" (The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.)
 

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You can say either 'severer' or you can say 'more severe'. Both are acceptable as the comparative form of the adjective 'severe'.

You can add the word 'much' to a comparative form in order to indicate a large difference. So you can also say 'much severer' or you can say 'much more severe'.

The word 'severe' (alone) is not a comparative form and therefore 'much severe' does not work in your sentence.
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"that" (The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.) #8 (permalink) Tue May 13, 2008 19:53 pm   "that" (The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.)
 

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You can say either 'severer' or you can say 'more severe'. Both are acceptable as the comparative form of the adjective 'severe'.


The American Corpus shows.

more severe 889 per million words
severer 7 per million words

Which would you advise a student to use?
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"that" (The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.) #9 (permalink) Tue May 13, 2008 23:19 pm   "that" (The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.)
 

I suppose both are fine.

However, due to the difficulty of pronouncing "severer" (hehe), many Americans might prefer "more severe".

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"that" (The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.) #10 (permalink) Tue May 13, 2008 23:19 pm   "that" (The winter of New York is much severer than that of Tokyo.)
 

President Bush would bring the laughs if he tried to say "severer".
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