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This is not acceptable in any case refering to all people not just "son of God".
(Out of the scene of course.)
In Christians countries religion has been recognised as very bad part of our society life, mainly due
to its treachery character and injustice behaviour.
Try to critisized an actor or a regiseur of such spectale and you would face the open conflict.
In the theatre you may say mostly what ever you like , under one condition you wouldn't attack any Jew exept of course from Jesus because he is mainly treated as out of diaspora since some time.
As you see we are paying for our sins even when we don't know about it.
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| Fri May 16, 2008 0:05 am Jesus ... Christ |
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I heard one of the actors say "Jesus F***ing Christ".
It's not meant as an attack upon, or reference to, Christ, Christians of whatever. It's nothing to do with Christ, in fact. It's just a sound coming out of someone's mouth. |
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| Fri May 16, 2008 0:42 am Jesus ... Christ |
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| Quote: | It's nothing to do with Christ, in fact.
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I agree that it's only a sound; but of course the collocation gains its effect by the combination of "f*cking" and "Jesus Christ". It would be faintly absurd to use "Mickey f*cking Mouse!" as your oath of choice, for instance.
So to say that it's "nothing to do with Christ" is not quite true: for some people, it would clearly break religious taboos.
Rhetorically, you could call it a form of dystmesis.
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| Fri May 16, 2008 7:52 am Jesus ... Christ |
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It would be faintly absurd to use "Mickey f*cking Mouse!" as your oath of choice, for instance.
Well Mickey's only been around since Steamboat Willie and Christ since the Virgin Birth (the latter had nothing to do with willies, apparently  ). There's still plenty of time for Mickey to gain first place in the oath stakes.
| Quote: | | So to say that it's "nothing to do with Christ" is not quite true: for some people, it would clearly break religious taboos. |
A case of an implication and inference clash, I'd say.
| Quote: | | Rhetorically, you could call it a form of dystmesis. |
In-blo*dy-deed you could. |
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| Fri May 16, 2008 9:04 am Jesus ... Christ |
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| I wouldn't say that in church. People would not understand you. |
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| Fri May 16, 2008 9:53 am Jesus ... Christ |
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Hi,
| Quote: | | Rhetorically, you could call it a form of dystmesis. |
A milder form can be found in a song by Liza Dolittle in the musical based on Shaw's play 'Pygmalion:
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| Fri May 16, 2008 11:49 am Jesus ... Christ |
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| daemon99 wrote: | It happened a couple of months ago when I was watching an english movie.
I heard one of the actors say "Jesus F***ing Christ".
I was kind of shocked. I couldn't believe he actually said it. |
This is common.
| daemon99 wrote: | | Is it acceptable (to Christians)? |
No. Most Christians would consider it a sin against the second commandment, or something similar. They would consider it sinful without even inserting the F-word.
| daemon99 wrote: | | Is there something more to it? |
No. The guy was simply using the name of Christ as a curse word. Contrary to what Molly said, it does have something to do with Christ. Otherwise, why would people choose to use that name, instead of the name of Jimmy Carter, Marlon Brando or some other person from history?
| daemon99 wrote: | | Doesn't the Church say anything against it? |
The Catholic Church condemns that sort of language use all the time. So do the Orthodox churches, and so do the 256,427,938,724.5 various Protestant denominations. It doesn't stop that kind of language from being used in the movies, because Hollywood likes to offend Christians. They never stop finding ways to do it.
| daemon99 wrote: | | Or is there something I might want to know? |
No, I think you understood quite well what was going on. |
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| Fri May 16, 2008 12:51 pm Jesus ... Christ |
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Contrary to what Molly said, it does have something to do with Christ. Otherwise, why would people choose to use that name, instead of the name of Jimmy Carter, Marlon Brando or some other person from history?
Habit. Lack of imagination. When people sneeze and others say "Bless you", do you think they are calling on God each time?
And are you saying that the speaker here is really thinking about the choice of cussword he is using? Are his utterances directly referential?
Molly: Aw look, J, it's raining.
Jamie: Shit!
Molly: Aw look, J, it's raining.
Jamie: Hell!
Molly: Aw look, J, it's raining.
Jamie: Jesus...F-in..Christ!
Molly: Aw look, J, it's raining.
Jamie: Damn!
Molly: Aw look, J, it's raining.
Jamie: Bollocks! |
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| Fri May 16, 2008 12:58 pm Jesus ... Christ |
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| daemon99 wrote: | Jesus H. Christ!
I heard this one quite a few times. What does H stand for here? |
It doesn't stand for anything. Just like the S in the name of president Harry S. Truman. Harry Truman's middle name was "S". |
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| Fri May 16, 2008 13:06 pm Jesus ... Christ |
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| daemon99 wrote: | Jesus H. Christ!
I heard this one quite a few times. What does H stand for here? |
It's used to jokingly imply that "Christ" is a surname. |
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| Fri May 16, 2008 13:12 pm Jesus ... Christ |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | It doesn't stop that kind of language from being used in the movies, because Hollywood likes to offend Christians. They never stop finding ways to do it. |
I'd say you've never lived on Long Island, Jamie.  It's not just a Hollywood thing.
I lived and worked in the NYC area for a few years and still vividly remember the incredible frequency with which people used the F-word. As a non-native of metro NYC, it seemed to me that people used the F-word multiple times in every single sentence they uttered. (That's an exaggeration, of course, but nevertheless it reflects my reaction to the frequent usage of the word in that area.) The word was used not only as JC's "middle name", but also as a noun, as an adjective, as a verb, as an adverb, as an exclamation, as an added syllable -- you name it! (Well, actually, I don't remember it being used as a conjunction...) And it's even used frequently by people you'd otherwise expect to speak in a more refined manner. The F-word doesn't seem to shock or offend anyone there in the least -- except non-natives.
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| Fri May 16, 2008 13:25 pm Jesus ... Christ |
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| Quote: | | It doesn't stop that kind of language from being used in the movies, because Hollywood likes to offend Christians. |
Is that really the intention of placing such language in flilms? I thought it was to give a true picture of life and language use among the characters being represented at a certain moment. So Hollywood sets out to offend Christians, right? News to me.
Why would a business set out to offend 256,427,938,724.5 potential customers? |
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| Fri May 16, 2008 14:02 pm Jesus ... Christ |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | It doesn't stop that kind of language from being used in the movies, because Hollywood likes to offend Christians. |
Is that really the intention of placing such language in flilms? I thought it was to give a true picture of life and language use among the characters being represented at a certain moment. So Hollywood sets out to offend Christians, right? News to me. |
This would be true if Hollywood actually attempted to give a true picture of life and language in the society its stories take place in, but it gives a famously inaccurate depiction, as any foreign college student in the US finds out the first time he tries to pick up a girl. People who arrive thinking American movies are realistic get themselves into a lot of trouble.
Hollywood often uses obscenity as a sort of shorthand for "truth" or "realism", and often exaggerates it in the process.
Take it from me, a reformed trash mouth. |
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