Double standards with meeting with political leaders?

[Torsten]

Do you think that the US government is using double standards when it comes to talking with leaders of political regimes? I mean, Mr Bush refuses to meet with the Cuban government while he is good friends with Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and looks forward to attending the Olympic Games in Beijing. Are the human rights records of Cuba really that much worse than those of China and Saudi Arabia to justify Bush's approach?
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[Jamie (K)]

The human rights record alone isn't the only consideration. A lot of it involves what a regime's proportion of pragmatism to fanaticism is. The Cuban regime has shown for a long time that nothing can be achieved with them, because they subscribe to the old Marxist notion that negotiations are part of war strategy and are used to buy time or exploit an adversary's weakness. The same is true of the regime in North Korea. The Clinton administration negotiated with them and were just taken for suckers. The Palestinians use peace negotiations when they're being beaten and want to rearm. The negotiations never do any good. The Saudis and the Chinese are more pragmatic and can be dealt with, even though the outcome is not always ideal.

Torsten, for some reason your post reminds me of a conversation with a young Polish woman in my classes who said that war is never justified. I asked her what a country should do if it was being menaced, and she said they should talk to the other side. I asked her why the Poles didn't talk to Hitler, and her only response was embarrassed laughter. She knew that negotiating with Hitler would have done no good at all, as had been amply shown by the British and the French. Many place the Cubans in the same category with Hitler in that regard.

Have you heard this excerpt from Bush's speech in Israel yesterday?

[Molly]

[Molly]

[Jamie (K)]

Saudi donors are not necessarily the Saudi government. The Saudi government has something to lose in the terror war also, because Al-Qaeda intends to overthrow them also and has bombed buildings there.

[Jan]

Politic is very deep subject and since the very first begining of our history all governments had to have the double face.
I wonder only how it is possible to have now any doubts about it.
A human being is in general an awful lier and what has been done good in this world is more because of Mother Natur as by man planning.
Negotiations are part of war and it is invented not by Marxist even blessed America knows that by heart from birth stage.
Germany leads in many aspects that dreadful policy up to nowdays.
When beaten or humiliated and left aside we are eager to boost with some idealistic views ,
a little stronger or better secured in name of peace of course we would take first incoming pride without any shame.

Jan

[Molly]

[Jamie (K)]

The Saud family's power over Arabian peninsula was consolidated through both military force and MANY marriages to the daughters of tribal leaders, and these marriages produced a lot of children. This results in every other Saudi walking down the street being some kind of "prince" or "princess". It's like shooting fish in a barrel to link some perceived villain to "the Saudi royal family", because it includes thousands of people who may have little connection to the Saudi government.

[Molly]

[Jan]

I really don't think that Bush is much more different from average politicians.
Drugs crime in France and drugs crime in USA would be two different stories.
In USA it could be almost impeachment when official would try to rescue drug dealer from problems even very powerful drug dealer.
I hope so.
Jan

[Fan Of Arabian Horses]

[Jan]

I can't judge Germany good or bad they are same as USA for me but reduced in abilities ,after their voting against Georgia membership in Nato I have no doubts that Putin's state is still very deep in favour for Germans .With blood chilly coincidance German government makes deals over heads of eastern Europe with Russia about eastern Europe ,
advocating Putin's case when ever possible and knowing of his character of his policies seems to be in democratic Germany no problem at all.
You are cooking the future conflict which wouldn't be solved without "bad" Americans.
I can't write too much at once because my satellite connection looses regurally its signal.
When it wouldn't be USA in the world today, my dear Fan of Arabian Horses ,Germany never would recognize the post war boarder on the Oder.
Jan

[Jan]

I would like to share my hopes that politic is somehow very strong connected to grassroots movements in the society, when bulk of voters would shift its deliberatly indifference, what happens now only in times of crisis , hopefully it could be less misundestandings and more courage to act for spreading normality worldwide.
Right now it is so complicated (I mean politic), that we don't want to know to much or do something ourselfes, we rather prefer
to judge final results.
It is very easy for Europe to has different views and plays "we would do better" when we know that USA Army after all would be able to deploy soldiers and make things "better or worse" but do something.
It was not just USA who had sold to Sadam the arms, it is not America alone working with Saud's Family.

Today I have seen in news the picture of black man laying on soil surrounded by twenty or more photoreportes, most probably he was wounded in gunfire ,nobody was helping all of them just like wolfes were doing only pictures many many pictures and movies.
Do you think among them were just Americans or maybe also some Germans or Poles.

Jan

[Fan Of Arabian Horses]

[Jan]