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| Molly wrote: |
How about these?
He is a citizen of Rome.
IBM is a trademark of IBM Corporation.
Dr. McDonald is a Director of McDonald, Green and Associates
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If you're asking whether the double genitive would work with those items, I would say no:
1. He is a citizen of Rome's
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2. IBM is a trademark of IBM Corporation's
— odd.
3. Dr. McDonald is a Director of McDonald, Green and Associates'
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| #48 (permalink) Thu May 22, 2008 6:31 am Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| Molly wrote: |
The structures here are:
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a) X is a Y of Z's
b) X is a Y of Z
where Y denotes a relationship, and Z is probably human, or at least animate. |
How about these?
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On reflection, I wonder whether you've misread my post. It deals not with the structure "X is a Y of Z" in itself, but with "X is a Y of Z's" as a replacement for "X is a Y of Z".
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| #49 (permalink) Thu May 22, 2008 7:45 am Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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But these would work:
2. IBM is a trademark of IBM's
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3. Dr. McDonald is a director of Green's.
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| #50 (permalink) Thu May 22, 2008 8:06 am Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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What part do alienable and inalienable possession play in the minds of English speakers?
e.g.
alienable possession - my dog
inalienable possession - my ear (Disregarding Van Gogh of course.  )
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And are these not examples of the periphrasatic associative?
I listened to a symphony of Mozart.
I listened to the second symphony of Mozart.
He was a mentor of Plato.
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And are these not acceptable?
Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack, Mary, Abdul and Claude, but not of David.
Mr Pike is teacher to Jack.
She is secretary to the boss. |
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| #53 (permalink) Thu May 22, 2008 22:28 pm Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| Molly wrote: |
But these would work:
2. IBM is a trademark of IBM's
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3. Dr. McDonald is a director of Green's.
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#2: see my earlier post on "familiarity".
#3: "Green's" here is ambiguous.
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| #54 (permalink) Thu May 22, 2008 22:30 pm Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| Molly wrote: |
And are these not examples of the periphrasatic associative?
I listened to a symphony of Mozart.
I listened to the second symphony of Mozart.
He was a mentor of Plato.
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See my earlier post on "familiarity".
Note too that "the...of Mozart" is a different case (it uses the definite article).
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Mr Pike is teacher to Jack.
She is secretary to the boss. |
Different preposition.
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| #55 (permalink) Thu May 22, 2008 22:31 pm Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| #3: "Green's" here is ambiguous. |
How would you suggest it be disambiguated?
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| Different preposition. |
And?
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| See my earlier post on "familiarity". |
No, don't get the "familiarity" idea at all. Can't see it's relation to such examples. |
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| #56 (permalink) Thu May 22, 2008 22:54 pm Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| Molly wrote: |
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| #3: "Green's" here is ambiguous. |
How would you suggest it be disambiguated?
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| Different preposition. |
And?
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1. What is the company name? "Green" or "Green's"?
2. The preposition that relates to the double genitive is "of", not "to".
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