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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.


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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Wed May 21, 2008 14:45 pm  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

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P.S: I also think "the pen of my aunt" is not very natural.

Not natural in which register, Nessie¿
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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Thu May 22, 2008 0:20 am  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

Molly wrote:
How about these?

He is a citizen of Rome.

IBM is a trademark of IBM Corporation.

Dr. McDonald is a Director of McDonald, Green and Associates

If you're asking whether the double genitive would work with those items, I would say no:

1. He is a citizen of Rome's

— odd.

2. IBM is a trademark of IBM Corporation's

— odd.

3. Dr. McDonald is a Director of McDonald, Green and Associates'

— odd.

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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Thu May 22, 2008 7:31 am  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

Molly wrote:
The structures here are:

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a) X is a Y of Z's
b) X is a Y of Z

where Y denotes a relationship, and Z is probably human, or at least animate.

How about these?

...

On reflection, I wonder whether you've misread my post. It deals not with the structure "X is a Y of Z" in itself, but with "X is a Y of Z's" as a replacement for "X is a Y of Z".

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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Thu May 22, 2008 8:45 am  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

But these would work:

2. IBM is a trademark of IBM's

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3. Dr. McDonald is a director of Green's.

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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Thu May 22, 2008 9:06 am  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

What part do alienable and inalienable possession play in the minds of English speakers?

e.g.

alienable possession - my dog
inalienable possession - my ear (Disregarding Van Gogh of course. Wink )

.................

And are these not examples of the periphrasatic associative?

I listened to a symphony of Mozart.
I listened to the second symphony of Mozart.
He was a mentor of Plato.

......

And are these not acceptable?

Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack, Mary, Abdul and Claude, but not of David.
Mr Pike is teacher to Jack.
She is secretary to the boss.
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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Thu May 22, 2008 12:37 pm  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

Though they take time to digest, the pages from around 65 to 70 of the article below, may be of use here:

http://www.uwm.edu/~noonan/403/CEG.V1.pdf
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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Thu May 22, 2008 18:41 pm  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

Just like vaok, now I'm confused, too. (+_+)
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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Thu May 22, 2008 23:28 pm  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

Molly wrote:
But these would work:

2. IBM is a trademark of IBM's

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3. Dr. McDonald is a director of Green's.

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#2: see my earlier post on "familiarity".
#3: "Green's" here is ambiguous.

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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Thu May 22, 2008 23:30 pm  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

Molly wrote:
And are these not examples of the periphrasatic associative?

I listened to a symphony of Mozart.
I listened to the second symphony of Mozart.
He was a mentor of Plato.


See my earlier post on "familiarity".

Note too that "the...of Mozart" is a different case (it uses the definite article).

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Mr Pike is teacher to Jack.
She is secretary to the boss.

Different preposition.

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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Thu May 22, 2008 23:31 pm  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

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#3: "Green's" here is ambiguous.

How would you suggest it be disambiguated?

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Different preposition.

And?

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See my earlier post on "familiarity".

No, don't get the "familiarity" idea at all. Can't see it's relation to such examples.
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Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. Thu May 22, 2008 23:54 pm  Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's.
 

Molly wrote:
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#3: "Green's" here is ambiguous.

How would you suggest it be disambiguated?

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Different preposition.

And?


1. What is the company name? "Green" or "Green's"?
2. The preposition that relates to the double genitive is "of", not "to".

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