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| Molly wrote: | How about these?
He is a citizen of Rome.
IBM is a trademark of IBM Corporation.
Dr. McDonald is a Director of McDonald, Green and Associates
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If you're asking whether the double genitive would work with those items, I would say no:
1. He is a citizen of Rome's
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2. IBM is a trademark of IBM Corporation's
— odd.
3. Dr. McDonald is a Director of McDonald, Green and Associates'
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| Thu May 22, 2008 7:31 am Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| Molly wrote: | The structures here are:
| Quote: | a) X is a Y of Z's
b) X is a Y of Z
where Y denotes a relationship, and Z is probably human, or at least animate. |
How about these?
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On reflection, I wonder whether you've misread my post. It deals not with the structure "X is a Y of Z" in itself, but with "X is a Y of Z's" as a replacement for "X is a Y of Z".
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| Thu May 22, 2008 8:45 am Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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But these would work:
2. IBM is a trademark of IBM's
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3. Dr. McDonald is a director of Green's.
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| Thu May 22, 2008 9:06 am Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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What part do alienable and inalienable possession play in the minds of English speakers?
e.g.
alienable possession - my dog
inalienable possession - my ear (Disregarding Van Gogh of course.  )
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And are these not examples of the periphrasatic associative?
I listened to a symphony of Mozart.
I listened to the second symphony of Mozart.
He was a mentor of Plato.
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And are these not acceptable?
Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack, Mary, Abdul and Claude, but not of David.
Mr Pike is teacher to Jack.
She is secretary to the boss. |
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| Thu May 22, 2008 12:37 pm Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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Though they take time to digest, the pages from around 65 to 70 of the article below, may be of use here:
http://www.uwm.edu/~noonan/403/CEG.V1.pdf |
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| Thu May 22, 2008 18:41 pm Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| Just like vaok, now I'm confused, too. (+_+) |
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| Thu May 22, 2008 23:28 pm Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| Molly wrote: | But these would work:
2. IBM is a trademark of IBM's
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3. Dr. McDonald is a director of Green's.
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#2: see my earlier post on "familiarity".
#3: "Green's" here is ambiguous.
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| Thu May 22, 2008 23:30 pm Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| Molly wrote: | And are these not examples of the periphrasatic associative?
I listened to a symphony of Mozart.
I listened to the second symphony of Mozart.
He was a mentor of Plato.
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See my earlier post on "familiarity".
Note too that "the...of Mozart" is a different case (it uses the definite article).
| Molly wrote: | Mr Pike is teacher to Jack.
She is secretary to the boss. |
Different preposition.
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| Thu May 22, 2008 23:31 pm Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| Quote: | | #3: "Green's" here is ambiguous. |
How would you suggest it be disambiguated?
| Quote: | | Different preposition. |
And?
| Quote: | | See my earlier post on "familiarity". |
No, don't get the "familiarity" idea at all. Can't see it's relation to such examples. |
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| Thu May 22, 2008 23:54 pm Usage of 's: Mr Pike is a teacher of Jack/Jack's. |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | #3: "Green's" here is ambiguous. |
How would you suggest it be disambiguated?
| Quote: | | Different preposition. |
And?
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1. What is the company name? "Green" or "Green's"?
2. The preposition that relates to the double genitive is "of", not "to".
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