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I would agree that "experience in" is widely used in relation to fields of activity. I would take it as a subset of "experience of", which has a broader application. Thus:
1. He is experienced in the art of straw hat making.
2. He is experienced in designing custom systems and solutions for high-tech applications.
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experience of - indirect experience
experience in - direct experience
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The distinction between "direct" and "indirect" experience is not accurate; all these are fine:
3. Do you have any experience of working in sales / for an undertaker? (direct)
4. I have extensive experience of conducting interviews. (direct)
5. The experience of running a small business has not been pleasant. (direct)
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Hi,
To me this discussion about 'in' or 'of' after 'experience' doesn't really take account of what the word means. It can refer to extensive/deep knowledge concerning something or it can mean simply the effect an event or activity has on someone. That's why I would query the use of 'of' in two of the following:
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3. Do you have any experience of working in sales / for an undertaker? (direct)
4. I have extensive experience of conducting interviews. (direct)
5. The experience of running a small business has not been pleasant. (direct) |
In (3) I would use 'in' - (4) I would use 'in' and in (5) I would keep 'of'.
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| MrPedantic wrote: |
The distinction between "direct" and "indirect" experience is not accurate; all these are fine:
3. Do you have any experience of working in sales / for an undertaker? (direct)
4. I have extensive experience of conducting interviews. (direct)
5. The experience of running a small business has not been pleasant. (direct) |
I'd agree with Alan. I'd also say that "experience" in #5 has a different meaning from the one used #3 and #4. See above.
For me:
he has experience of hard work/working hard = (ambiguous or unclear) he knows what hard work is, but it doesn't follow that he has experienced hard work first-hand or will have the ability to do hard work
he has experience in hard work/working hard = he's done hard work and probably has the ability to do work hard again
But then, as with Alan, Mr P, etc. I may be wrong on this.
(Strange how most of the other, regular, native-speaking commentators are giving this thread a miss.  ) |
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| #20 (permalink) Thu May 22, 2008 10:21 am Experience of vs Experience in |
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What's the native-speaker response to these?
I have knowledege in many software systems including AutoCad, Sketchup, Adobe Photoshop CS3, Adobe Indesign, etc.
I have knowledege of many software systems including AutoCad, Sketchup, Adobe Photoshop CS3, Adobe Indesign
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| Molly wrote: |
For me:
he has experience of hard work/working hard = (ambiguous or unclear) he's knows what hard work is, but it doesn't follow that he has experienced hard work first-hand or will have the ability to do hard work |
Neither 'he has experience of hard work' nor 'he has experience of working hard' sounds like a particularly likely or natural sentence to me.
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| he has experience in hard work/working hard = he's done hard work and probably has the ability to do work hard again |
Neither 'he has experience in hard work' nor 'he has experience in working hard' sounds like a particularly likely or natural sentence to me.
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Neither 'he has experience of hard work' nor 'he has experience of working hard' sounds like a particularly likely or natural sentence to me.
Neither he has experience in hard work/working hard = he's done hard work and probably has the ability to do work hard again |
Maybe not, but I'm using them for only study purposes here. Hope that's OK with you.
BTW, what's/are your thoughts on the main topic? Did you post them already?
What do you think of these?
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After all, he was now armed with the experience of hard work. His recent unsuccessful experience in Canada was no basis for predicting his future. ...
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How about?
He's an expert of French.
He's an expert in French. |
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Out of interest, I looked in the BNC – which, rather surprisingly, has not been mentioned so far – and found 65 examples of "experience of working" against 9 for "experience in working"; 27 for "experience of working with" against 5 for "experience in working with".
I would regard "have experience in" as a subset of "have experience of": the latter tends to relate to direct experience, but the former, direct or indirect experience.
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Hi,
I still maintain you have to have in your mind a clear picture of what meaning you attach to the word 'experience' before you start dancing on a pinhead with which is the 'correct' preposition to follow.
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How about?
He's an expert of French.
He's an expert in French.
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Yes; you are expert in and experienced in.
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I would regard "have experience in" as a subset of "have experience of": the latter tends to relate to direct experience, but the former, direct or indirect experience.
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Or as I should have said, "the former tends to relate to direct experience, but the latter, direct or indirect experience."
Here are some unambiguous examples of "experience of", in which the "experience" is clearly "direct" and relates to "knowledge".
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| I would regard "have experience in" as a subset of "have experience of": the latter tends to relate to direct experience, but the former, direct or indirect experience. |
And how does that make it a sub-set? Would you say the same for "knowledge in" and "knowledge of"? |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi,
I still maintain you have to have in your mind a clear picture of what meaning you attach to the word 'experience' before you start dancing on a pinhead with which is the 'correct' preposition to follow.
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