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 Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:29 am I myself am + adjective or noun? |
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| Yankee wrote: | Hi Nessie
It seems to me that either you have misinterpreted a "rule", or the "rule" that you've been taught is simply bogus.
I don't know, Amy. I've been taught this rule since I started learning English, and if I hadn't seen native speakers use "no +plural noun + plural verb", perhaps I would never know which is the correct usage. 
Basically, the following two sentences mean exactly the same thing, and both are grammatically correct. The version using 'no' places the negation on the word 'flowers' instead of negating the verb:
- There aren't any flowers in my garden.
- There are no flowers in my garden.
You can also use 'no + singular noun' or 'not any + singular noun', but the most common usage would be with singular uncountable nouns:
- There isn't any water in the pool.
- There is no water in the pool.
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In some situations, 'no + singular countable noun' and 'not any + singular countable noun' can also be used. Generally speaking, however, this would be restricted to emphatic usage. In other words, this would place more emphasis than usual on the idea of 'not a single one of those things'.
Thanks Amy, I got it now 
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| Tue Jun 03, 2008 22:17 pm I myself am + adjective or noun? |
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Why is "myself" included in the first place?
IMO, "myself" is overrated and overused -- usually redundant or replaceable by "I" or "me".
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| Tue Jun 03, 2008 23:44 pm I myself am + adjective or noun? |
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| prezbucky wrote: | Why is "myself" included in the first place?
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One possible context:
A brother and sister are separated when very young, after their father's murder. Their mother marries the murderer. The boy is sent overseas.
Later, he returns secretly to avenge his father. While standing at his father's grave in thought, a young girl approaches. She looks at him curiously. They fall into conversation.
Guardedly, he attempts to extract information from her about his mother's whereabouts. She begins to suspect who he might be and questions him in her turn. At last he mentions that he is looking for his sister. At which point she says:
1. I myself am your sister.
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| Tue Jun 03, 2008 23:59 pm I myself am + adjective or noun? |
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| Quote: | | A brother and sister are separated when very young, after their father's murder. Their mother marries the murderer. The boy is sent overseas. |
Told you, Mr P spends his nights with his head buried in the world of fiction.  |
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| Wed Jun 04, 2008 0:05 am I myself am + adjective or noun? |
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| Quote: | [quote="prezbucky"]Why is "myself" included in the first place?
IMO, "myself" is overrated and overused -- usually redundant or replaceable by "I" or "me".
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Not here, right?
Mr XP: I'm afraid I find myself rather out of my depth.
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XP Jnr.: As I trust myself, I don't need to write it down.
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Mrs XP: Do I make myself clear, young man?
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And how about here, Prezb?
Myself, I can't bear to see him treated that way.
Would you replace that with "I" or "me"? |
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| Wed Jun 04, 2008 0:07 am I myself am + adjective or noun? |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | A brother and sister are separated when very young, after their father's murder. Their mother marries the murderer. The boy is sent overseas. |
Told you, Mr P spends his nights with his head burried in the world of fiction. |
And did you recognise it, old chap?
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| Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:33 am I myself am + adjective or noun? |
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| Molly wrote: | Myself, I can't bare to see him treated that way.
Would you replace that with "I" or "me"? |
The naked truth is that I'd probably replace something else in that sentence first, and then mention that spell-checkers don't catch everything. 
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| Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:21 am I myself am + adjective or noun? |
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| Yankee wrote: | | Molly wrote: | | Would you replace that with "I" or "me"? |
The naked truth is that I'd probably replace something else in that sentence first, and then mention that spell-checkers don't catch everything.
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And after you'd beaten the spell-checker and the non-native: Would you replace myself with "I" or "me"? |
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