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#17 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 16:21 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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| Unless very specific or contextual I can not see how informing a learner that "I" means "you" is useful or beneficial. |
Did someone do that? |
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#18 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 16:26 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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| Molly wrote: |
| Try euphemism, for starters, Amy. |
How likely do you think it is that someone will use "I was asked to call you" as a euphemism for "You asked me to call you"? Have you checked the corpora for frequency of use? . |
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#19 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 16:27 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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please explain Tue May 27, 2008 17:10 pm Someone/you asked me to call you. (obligation/necessity) |
Explanation of "I was asked to call you".
Your explanation was not useful or beneficial, or even accurate. A version maybe but as I said needs a context. Leaving a very short explanation when it is a version does as much harm as good.
And Amy elucidates to this in her response. Your explanation came across as a definition thats all. And as it was so stated requires some support of instances of usage for obligation and necessity.
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#20 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 16:30 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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| We can differ on whether obligation is sometimes involved, but I can't understand the denial of Necessity with this form. |
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#21 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 16:32 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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Your explanation was not useful or beneficial, or even accurate. A version maybe but as I said needs a context. Leaving a very short explanation when it is a version does as much harm as good.
cheers stew.t. |
Do us a favour and give us the full explanation, will you, stew?
And while you're at it, can you tell us which classroom explanation you give for the use of "some versus any"? |
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#22 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 16:34 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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Hi Molly
So if one is asked/requested to call someone they should feel obliged to do this?
I think this depends on the frame of their relationship does it not?
If you are asked to call someone, you may not, so are you therefore neglecting some sense of obligation you should have? _________________ Please meet Stewart Tunncilff |
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#23 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 16:36 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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| Molly wrote: |
| Try euphemism, for starters, Amy. |
How likely do you think it is that someone will use "I was asked to call you" as a euphemism for "You asked me to call you"? Have you checked the corpora for frequency of use? . |
How likely is it that one of your students will need it for such? Now try "indirectness". |
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#24 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 16:38 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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| So if one is asked/requested to call someone they should feel obliged to do this? |
Not with all forms of request, no. Don't forget the necessity bit, will ya?
On a similar note, how would you explain "You are asked/requested to call Mr P"?
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| If you are asked to call someone, you may not, so are you therefore neglecting some sense of obligation you should have? |
That's not how DEONTIC modality works, is it now? The obligation is from the speaker/requester, and not from the receiver.
So, with "I have to go to a meeting tomorrow", there no objective obligation or necessity, right? You can't teach your learners that "have to" has obligation or necessity attached to it, right? |
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#25 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 16:49 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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Hi Molly
I do not give definitions as my explanations. I would teach it dependent on level.
In all cases I would have a contextual example. And I often teach in a generative manner and not necessarily a "grammar" unit.
Most contextual examples would be on such lines as this (self penned);
A"Why are you calling so late?" B"I was asked to call you. He said itīd be a good idea to let you know before your hols".
If I was to focus on B, I would try to elicit from my students the function of "I was asked to call you".
So lets say they said it was reported speech. Then I would ask how then know this. Some may mention the form, others because he asked speaker B to call last night or sometime in the past.
I may then wrap up with from this context you could therefore say it is a past request, formed in reported speech in the time of speaking.
Just off the top of my head ; )
If I was teaching higher level students I may mention some sense of obligation. As in my example with "Please.........."
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#26 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 16:57 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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| stew.t. wrote: |
It could be an obligation or necessity by context or tone. However to say it is intrinsically is quite unusual.
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Yes, I agree.
For instance, person A may have some difficulty with a client. He may ask his manager to call the client on his behalf, since the manager is more experienced in such situations. The manager may then say to the client:
1. I was asked to call you by my colleague, who tells me there's a problem with...
I don't see any obligation or necessity here. To some extent, the point of the structure is to avoid any mention of the "asking" party; all that we know is that the caller is acting on someone else's behalf.
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#27 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 17:48 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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| Can't find any examples of "I was asked to call you by...". Can anyone else? |
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#28 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 17:53 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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| Molly wrote: |
| Can't find any examples of "I was asked to call you by...". Can anyone else? |
It's something you say on the phone, old chap; not something you write on the Internet.
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#29 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 19:57 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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| MrPedantic wrote: |
| It's something you say on the phone, old chap; not something you write on the Internet. |
Exactly. By the way, there don't seem to be any examples of "I was asked to call you" (i.e. without the word 'by') in the BNC or BYU corpora either. Hmmm. We may have no choice but to rely on native speaker intuition here.  . |
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#30 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 20:17 pm Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. |
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By the way, there don't seem to be any examples of "I was asked to call you" (i.e. without the word 'by') in the BNC or BYU corpora either. Hmmm. We may have no choice but to rely on native speaker intuition here.  . |
You have to know how to use the corpus.
ASKED TO CALL 7
Does your native speaker intuition tell you that "I was asked to call by (name of person)" is common or likely? |
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