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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.


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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #31 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 20:21 pm   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

Written on the Internet:

5,220 English pages for "hello, who's there".
18,400 English pages for "I'll put you through".

And so on.

Can anyone be bothered to sort out Mr P's example form this lot?

68 English pages for "was asked to call * by".
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #32 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 21:46 pm   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

Molly wrote:
You have to know how to use the corpus.
I see. How many instances of "I was asked to call you" did you manage to find in the corpora using your method? And of those, how many meant "You asked me to call you"?
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #33 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 22:27 pm   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

Molly wrote:
Does your native speaker intuition tell you that "I was asked to call by (name of person)" is common or likely?



Also:

1. I've been asked to give you a call by...

2. I was asked by <...> to give you a call...

Or in emails, etc:

3. I've been asked to do X by Y, but...

All standard phrases in ordinary office life.

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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #34 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:36 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

Dealing with the unit "I was asked to call you" is where we are now.
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #35 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:44 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

Quote:
1. Could you call my wife for me?
2. I would appreciate if you did a follow up call concerning the last meeting?
3. Please, call the area manager tomorrow?


I see "I was asked to call you" as different in the 1st and 2nd examples. To me it has an implied "if I would" there.

e.g.

A. Could you call my wife for me?
B: Sure, no problem.

Later:

B: Mrs P? I was asked to call you/I was asked if I would call you.

Even though there I would expect to hear "Mr P/Norris/your husband asked me to call you."
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #36 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:53 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

Yankee wrote:
Molly wrote:
You have to know how to use the corpus.
I see. How many instances of "I was asked to call you" did you manage to find in the corpora using your method? And of those, how many meant "You asked me to call you"?
.


I didn't find any, which tells me that "was asked to call" is not very popular at all (as with most passives).

Google says:

15 English pages for "was asked to call you".
756 English pages for "asked me to call you".

So, my tool and Google helped confirm something at least.

BTW, is this likely?

You asked that I call you.
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #37 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:11 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

"Miss Bennet? Miss Bennet? I was asked to call you at 5:00. Breakfast will be ready in half an hour. The gents will meet you in the parlor you were in last night. Milly here will help you get ready." The first maid hurried out to other duties. Jane and Lizzy got up and prepared for another day of travel. They went down to the parlor for breakfast. Mr. Darcy, already there, rose and greeted them. Mr. Bingley was nowhere in evidence.

http://www.austen.com/derby/janice2.htm

Any necessity or obligation attached there?

And, "I was asked to help" you can mean "I was asked if I would help you" or "I was told to help you", right?

What do you see as the difference, if any, in function here?

1. In 1998 I was asked if I would teach a meditation class at the NHSP for their drug and alcohol program.

2. In 1998 I was asked to teach a meditation class at the NHSP for their drug and alcohol program.
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #38 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:40 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

Hi Molly

"You asked that I call you" likely as a version in regions of England, yes.
Even though some would consider it grammatically incorrect.

The spoken grammar is alright as it causes no miscommunication. I would even use it if I spoke with my Lancashire accent.
but more so;

"Ya askt that a call ya".
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #39 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:44 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

Hi Molly

Maybe for the other forum users elaborate on how this "if I would" is implied? Also linking it to ;

Molly wrote:
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1. In 1998 I was asked if I would teach a meditation class at the NHSP for there drug and alcohol program.

2. In 1998 I was asked to teach a meditation class at the NHSP for there drug and alcohol program.


What similarities or differences do you see?
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #40 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:48 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

Hi Molly

The example you give from Jane Eyre does support some obligation (sense of duty).

Without context and knowing that the obligation is explicit in the roles, duties of the profession of the speaker it would not be so clear to a learner. This is the kind of example that would have been useful in your initial response to the question.

Also a distinction should be made here between call as in telephone, and call as in shout, announce or get.

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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #41 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:29 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

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"You asked that I call you" likely as a version in regions of England, yes.
Even though some would consider it grammatically incorrect.


I'm surprised, Stew. I'd have said that the structure was wholly standard and formal:

Here are other examples of similar use.

1. You asked that I “make my point, let it go and move on.” Clearly you have missed my point.

2. Second, you asked that I "explain the proper motion to enter into executive session", and you referred specifically to a motion to discuss "legal matters."

3. P.S. You asked that I contact you, but I'm afraid that's not
permitted under the rules here at Google Answers....all communications
happen right in these text boxes.
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #42 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:33 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

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Maybe for the other forum users elaborate on how this "if I would" is implied?


You mean you don't need my explanation? You understand me, right?

What similarities or differences do you see?

For the others:

"In 1998 I was asked if I would teach a meditation class at the NHSP for their drug and alcohol program."

Implies a polite request/offer with no feeling of direct obligation.

"In 1998 I was asked to teach a meditation class at the NHSP for there drug and alcohol program."

Can be a polite request/offer, but can have the feeling of direct obligation ("Asked" there having the meaning of "told".)It can also mean "I was asked if I would teach...".

So, IMO, the first example cannot mean the same as the second, but the second can mean the same as the first.
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #43 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:46 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

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Without context and knowing that the obligation is explicit in the roles, duties of the profession of the speaker it would not be so clear to a learner.


Who teaches without context? If you're not teaching communicative meaning, what are you teaching?

Believe me, we learners know what context is and how ridiculous it is to teach without refernce to it. Many of us also know when we get an answer like mine above that the respondent must be thinking about the phrase in context. Those students who are not aware of the latter have been taught by the decontextualised structures method. I pity them.

BTW, what's your full " explanation" of "I was asked to call you"?

You are guilty of the same thing that you accuse me of, Stew. You expect all here to understand what you mean by this partial answer:

Quote:
Also a distinction should be made here between call as in telephone, and call as in shout, announce or get.


Could you expand on that?
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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #44 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:01 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

Hi Molly

Here we get into your your fun discussion.

You see there is a big difference between written and spoken grammar, by spoken I mean grammar that occurs and does not necessarily hinder communication, used in modern teaching.

"ya askt that a call ya"
and
"You asked me to call you"

are both acceptable. The top as in "You asked that I call you", you could say from a pure grammarian perspective is the "correct" usage; something you might find in "Murphys" (a grammar bible)
What you might find more commonly in spoken is the use of me.

This also goes for the use of;

My girlfriend and I. (some say correct grammar)
Me and my boyfriend. (common spoken grammar)

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Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you. #45 (permalink) Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:29 am   Explain this type of sentence: I was asked to call you.
 

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You see there is a big difference between written and spoken grammar, by spoken I mean grammar that occurs and does not necessarily hinder communication, used in modern teaching.


I know a lot about spoken grammar, including standard spoken grammar.

Quote:
The top as in "You asked that I call you", you could say from a pure grammarian perspective is the "correct" usage;


I wasn't asking if it was "the correct usage", but if it is correct according to standard usage.
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