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complicate vs. complicated #31 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 0:27 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Molly wrote:
When Mr P says "we are also all agreed", does he mean the whole forum, or is he referring to the 2 or 3 posters who agree? And is he saying it cannot be used or simply that it makes no sense to him and a couple of others. I wish he'd decide.

And "complicate" (adj.) is used beyond the field of biology.

Perhaps, but I found no incidences of it in the BYU corpus, and we know how you love corpora.
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complicate vs. complicated #32 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 0:31 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Perhaps, but I found no incidences of it in the BYU corpus, and we know how you love corpora.

Love your convenient short-term memory, Jamie. I've said again and again that learners and natives should consult many sources in their search for understanding usage.
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complicate vs. complicated #33 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 0:33 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Molly wrote:
Love your convenient short-term memory, Jamie. I've said again and again that learners and natives should consult many sources in their search for understanding usage.

I never saw that. In any case, you're constantly slapping people in the face with corpora results without ever considering the flaws and weaknesses of corpus linguistics.
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complicate vs. complicated #34 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 0:43 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Jamie (K) wrote:
I never saw that. In any case, you're constantly slapping people in the face with corpora results without ever considering the flaws and weaknesses of corpus linguistics.

Now why do you think I suggest consulting a number of sources? Seem you're just upset to have you native intuition challenged.
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complicate vs. complicated #35 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 0:53 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Molly wrote:
And "complicate" (adj.) is used beyond the field of biology.

Come along, old chap. All you've found so far, outside biology, is a quote from Watts (1741), another from Young (1742), and a few thousand typos (to put it kindly).

Your initial thought was your best one:

Molly wrote:
[complicate (adj.)] was a surprise to me also.

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complicate vs. complicated #36 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:04 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Interesting that, until a day or so ago, a bunch of natives who had no idea that "complicate" (adj.) existed are now experts on the word. Me. I'll continue to investigate.
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complicate vs. complicated #37 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:25 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Molly wrote:
Me. I'll continue to investigate.

It's dirty work; but someone has to do it.

Don't forget to report back.

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complicate vs. complicated #38 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:31 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Or why not let's make its usage beyond the field of biology. Smile First of all, why should it be doomed to confine itself inside biology? Smile Just curious.
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complicate vs. complicated #39 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:33 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Haihao wrote:
Or why not let's make its usage beyond the field of biology. Smile First of all, why should it be doomed to confine itself inside biology? Smile Just curious.

Many words do jump domains, but the natives here are keeping quiet about that. Confused
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complicate vs. complicated #40 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:37 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Molly wrote:
Many words do jump domains, but the natives here are keeping quiet about that. Confused

After all we are living in an era of republic. Very Happy
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complicate vs. complicated #41 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:46 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
It's a charming idea.

Perhaps while we're waiting for M. to return with his findings we can amuse ourselves by devising ways in which financial service procedures can be folded longitudinally several times.

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complicate vs. complicated #42 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:47 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Haihao wrote:
After all we are living in an era of republic. Very Happy

Not here, maybe. Laughing

With Mr P and buddies' in-the-box thinking, we'll get nowhere fast. Just look at his last statement to get an idea of in-the-box thinking.

Did Mr Peeved forget these definitions of "complicate"?

Composed of two or more parts united; complex; complicated; involved.

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Complex/complicated/involved/complicate application procedures have resulted in a drop in interest in our investment and other financial services packages.

All possible. It's about personal choice/preference here.
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complicate vs. complicated #43 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:56 am   complicate vs. complicated		  
Molly wrote:
Did Mr Peeved forget these definitions of "complicate"?

Composed of two or more parts united; complex; complicated; involved.

If you consult the OED, you'll find those definitions marked "archaic" (cf. your examples: from 1741 and 1742).

Molly wrote:
Complex/complicated/involved/complicate application procedures have resulted in a drop in interest in our investment and other financial services packages.

All possible. It's about personal choice/preference here.

On the contrary, old chap: it's about not misleading students of ESL.

If an ESL student writes e.g. "The situation was very complicate", no one is going to think, "what an admirable example of a rehabilitated archaism". They will simply assume it's a spelling mistake.

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complicate vs. complicated #44 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:49 pm   complicate vs. complicated		  
I suppose we'd better let Mr P have the last word on this. He seems to need it.
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complicate vs. complicated #45 (permalink) Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:58 pm   complicate vs. complicated		  
Crudely put, Molly, you lost.
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