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 #17 (permalink) Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:27 am "I cross the stream... I have a dream..." |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
Alex, do you also believe in Santa Claus?  You're confusing movies with real life! There is no trailer park on 8 Mile Road, and Eminem didn't grow up in one. And, by the way, his mother isn't Kim Bassinger. |
No, I dont believe in Santa Claus and neither do I believe that the Marshall Bruce Mathers III himself lived there. It is common knowedge that (I quote) until he (Mr. Marshall, that is) was twelve, he and his mother moved to and fro, between St. Joseph and Warren, Michigan, a Detroit suburb
As to 8 Mile, Eminem himself told in interviews that (I again quote) Eight Mile Road is a road which forms the boundary between predominantly African American Detroit and the city's mostly white northern suburbs. The term "8 Mile", therefore, represents a barrier that is difficult to cross
Summarizing, by saying "Eminem lived on 8 Mile Road", I didn't mean that Marshall Bruce Mathers III actually lived there, but that that street represents his hardships that he had to overcome on his way to success. Sorry, I should have had to have expressed myself clearer. 
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But AFTER he was successful, he was brought up on gun and assault charges. That's the true measure of stupidity -- when you're a millionaire many times over and are willing to risk a whole career and go to prison over a stupid insult.
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But he did that on purpose, not on the spur of the moment, as it was officially reported (they said that he just "flipped" when he saw a guy suggestively talking (flirting) with his wife). Just think about it: the gun was empty, with no bullets, and later in one of his songs he admits ..but the smartest sh*t I did was take the bullets out of that gun, cuz I'da killed em.... He knew he would have beaten the rap, gotten off with a probation, had it come to a trial, he was rich and could afford competent lawyers. It was a stunt to stir up public interest in him as a "gansta rapper". And I'd say it hadn't gone amiss, his popularity among individuals below 19 shot through the roof after that (though he had been doing well even before that accident happened).
In fact the Eminem in real life isn't that stupid (He's putting on this image of a "stupid" guy). The real Marshall Bruce Mathers III is quite "shady"  Actually, I think, what distinguishes him from that notorious Proof (who got shot in a bar over a stupid brawl, what a douchebag !) is that the real Eminem sees the line, knows when to stop playing and start thinking. |
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| #18 (permalink) Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:35 am "I cross the stream... I have a dream..." |
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| lost_soul wrote: |
As to 8 Mile, Eminem himself told in interviews that (I again quote) Eight Mile Road is a road which forms the boundary between predominantly African American Detroit and the city's mostly white northern suburbs. The term "8 Mile", therefore, represents a barrier that is difficult to cross
Summarizing, by saying "Eminem lived on 8 Mile Road", I didn't mean that Marshall Bruce Mathers III actually lived there, but that that street represents his hardships that he had to overcome on his way to success. Sorry, I should have had to have expressed myself clearer. |
Eminem lived on the "white" side of 8 Mile, probably well into the white side. That means no real luxury (by American standards) but also no really serious hardship. His contact with the black community, then, (and by that I mean the POOR black community) would have been from going to the other side of 8 Mile and slumming.
I seriously doubt he planned that assault as a publicity stunt and took the bullets out of the gun ahead of time. That has to be a story made up after the fact by him and his lawyers, partly to sway a jury, and partly to avoid losing some of this market. If you visit a prison (which I have) and talk to the guys in there, they all have a story like that to make themselves sound innocent.
If he really DID plan the assault, and really DID take the bullets out of his gun, then he's DOUBLY stupid. Threatening someone with a gun is a very effective way to get oneself killed, either by the person one is threatening, by someone else who is trying to protect him, or by the police. In fact, it's very common method of people who are suicidal but don't have the guts to pull the trigger on themselves. The suicidal person will run around with a unloaded gun and threaten people until someone blows his brains out. Doing it as a publicity stunt shows either suicidal tendencies or an inability to think even one minute into the future. |
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| #19 (permalink) Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:27 pm "I cross the stream... I have a dream..." |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
Eminem lived on the "white" side of 8 Mile, probably well into the white side. That means no real luxury (by American standards) but also no really serious hardship. His contact with the black community, then, (and by that I mean the POOR black community) would have been from going to the other side of 8 Mile and slumming.
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Well, hats off to you, you know more about Detroit than I do
| Jamie (K) wrote: |
I seriously doubt he planned that assault as a publicity stunt and took the bullets out of the gun ahead of time. That has to be a story made up after the fact by him and his lawyers, partly to sway a jury, and partly to avoid losing some of this market. If you visit a prison (which I have) and talk to the guys in there, they all have a story like that to make themselves sound innocent.
If he really DID plan the assault, and really DID take the bullets out of his gun, then he's DOUBLY stupid. Threatening someone with a gun is a very effective way to get oneself killed, either by the person one is threatening, by someone else who is trying to protect him, or by the police. In fact, it's very common method of people who are suicidal but don't have the guts to pull the trigger on themselves. The suicidal person will run around with a unloaded gun and threaten people until someone blows his brains out. Doing it as a publicity stunt shows either suicidal tendencies or an inability to think even one minute into the future. |
Your reasoning sounds plausible. Probably that's how it went down |
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| #20 (permalink) Wed Jun 04, 2008 16:54 pm "I cross the stream... I have a dream..." |
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| lost_soul wrote: |
| Your reasoning sounds plausible. Probably that's how it went down |
Most rap "artists" boost their popularity with some kind of sob story about their past and all the hardship they've overcome. Included in this sob story is an assertion that the guy is to be admired for rising above this hardship, and an explanation as to why his stupid, continuing criminal acts are to be excused. So you're supposed to admire him for overcoming his hardship while excusing him because he hasn't overcome his hardship.
It's like a perverse version of a TV show from the 1950s called "Queen for a Day". Every day, three ladies came on and told their sad stories about everything that was wrong in their lives. Then an applause-o-meter was used to decide who the audience felt the sorriest for. The woman who made the needle jump the highest was chosen as "Queen for a Day" and got lots of cash and prizes. This is an exact analogy of how rappers get popular. It's kind of like the old Soviet game show "Come On, Girls!" except you win by being pathetic, rather than by being intelligent, skilled and virtuous. |
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| #21 (permalink) Sat Jul 11, 2009 16:30 pm cross the stream... I have a dream |
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| i have a dram seems to me as a start of a new life, that is every body has dreams and wishes they came true but if you want your dreams to turn into reality you have to start a new life and leave many things you have behind in order to achieve new things that you drream about. that is why you have to cross the stream, but then on your way there might be a lot of difficulties, but if you believe in fairy tails (if u believe that a superpower like God always help you and even if you fail there has been a reason behind it like this is what we learn in fairy tails that alwyas good people win and bad people lose, but even if good peopel do not have the power some super power helps them, even in case they fail they are not sad because they have done their best and they had a good intention) so if u believe in a fairy tail u will never be even if u fail and u can take the future. in your life may be your objective and your goal seems very close just a mile away, but the further you go you see that you have a long way to achieve yoour goal so if you think that your goal worths all the trouble then just go on, even in the darkness. actually this is my understanding of the song and i love it very much.............................. |
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| Phrase "we came back to believing" | Meaning of adjunct |
