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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:24 am  misrelated participle
 

Many factors need to be taken into account when considering the qualities of good learners. (p7, How to Teach English, Jeremy Harmer)

Is the above sentence acceptable?
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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:16 am  misrelated participle
 

I think it is.
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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:41 am  misrelated participle
 

It's fine. The "full" form would be:

Many factors need to be taken into account when one/you/we is/are considering the qualities of good learners.
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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:49 am  misrelated participle
 

But I was taught that dangling participles are not acceptable.
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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:52 am  misrelated participle
 

sitifan wrote:
But I was taught that dangling participles are not acceptable.

What's dangling about it? Do you think the subject is not clear?

This might be said to be an example of dangling:

Considering the qualities of good learners, many factors need to be taken into account.
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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:52 am  misrelated participle
 

Hi sitifan,

It is grammatically acceptable as a shortened version of the example in full Molly gave.

However I would add that if one was to choose one then "are" should be "is considering". However the use of one is sometimes considered quite old fashioned or just an element of one´s personality. Even to the extent that people use it to make fun of someone.

"Is that what one really wanted to say".

"Yes sure was".

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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:54 am  misrelated participle
 

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However I would add that if one was to choose one then is should be "is considering".

Late night last night, Stew? Wink
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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:55 am  misrelated participle
 

Hi Molly

Not really, just an error that happens now and again.

What is your excuse for not including "is" in the first instance?

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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:04 am  misrelated participle
 

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What is your excuse for not including is in the first instance?

Lack of sleep. Razz
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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 14:50 pm  misrelated participle
 

muhahahahaha

yes, and don't fall into the trap of referring to a single person as "they". One person cannot logically be a "they"... unless, I suppose, that person exhibits multiple personalities.

lol

you might be wrong sex-wise, but at least you'll be gramatically correct to say something like:

"A person generally eats his supper at a table."

rather than

"A person generally eats their supper at a table."

There is a possible solution to this frustration:

Gender-neutral singular pronouns. With them, we could pair singular subjects with singular pronouns (as we should!) without offending anyone... and without having to use "he or she" and "his or her".

His/her = heirs (pronounced "hairs")

He/she = heir ("hair")

And we would have:

"The person eats heirs food" (The person eats his or her food.)

"Heir doesn't know what heir's doing." (He/she doesn't know what he/she is doing.)

Of course, heir/heirs would only be necessary in cases of sexual uncertainty/ambiguity -- if you know the sex of the person to whom you're referring, by all means you should use he/she or his/her.
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misrelated participle Wed Jun 04, 2008 15:11 pm  misrelated participle
 

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yes, and don't fall into the trap of referring to a single person as "they". One person cannot logically be a "they"... unless, I suppose, that person exhibits multiple personalities

Can a person be referred to as "Peaches"?
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