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Expression: "I am come safe into..."



 
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Expression: "I am come safe into..." #1 (permalink) Wed Jun 04, 2008 17:19 pm   Expression: "I am come safe into..."		  
Hi

The following sentence (the red part) confused me. It is from the movie "First knight". Could you please shed some light on it.
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Tell her I am come safe into the new city.


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Expression: "I am come safe into..." #2 (permalink) Wed Jun 04, 2008 17:31 pm   Expression: "I am come safe into..."		  
Old version for "I have arrived safely"?
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Expression: "I am come safe into..." #3 (permalink) Mon Jun 23, 2008 21:08 pm   Expression: "I am come safe into..."		  
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Tell her I am come safe into the new city.


Is this expression used these days?

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Expression: "I am come safe into..." #4 (permalink) Mon Jun 23, 2008 21:23 pm   Expression: "I am come safe into..."		  
Tom wrote:
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Tell her I am come safe into the new city.


Is this expression used these days?

Tom


I'm sure it is, but not in seriousness, I imagine.
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Expression: "I am come safe into..." #5 (permalink) Mon Jun 23, 2008 22:23 pm   Expression: "I am come safe into..."		  
Some intransitive verbs (particularly of motion or change, e.g. "come", "gone", "become") can take the auxiliary "be":

1. They are all gone into the world of light.
2. All is changed, changed utterly.

In ordinary English, it would now seem old-fashioned or literary.

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Expression: "I am come safe into..." #6 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:54 am   Expression: "I am come safe into..."		  
Here's something similar:
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While I am happy to pass on what knowledge I have, I am always ready to listen to someone who knows more than me. This is, after all, how we all gain knowledge and pick up useful tips. However, once in a while I am visited by a "self-proclaimed expert. I can usually tolerate him, nodding tactfully when I feel it is appropriate, and being carefully non-committal when he makes any sweeping statements.

From: Practical fishkeeping. Peterborough, Cambs: EMAP Pursuit Pub. Ltd, 1992.


The sentiment doesn't seem archaic, IMO, but the grammar does.
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Expression: "I am come safe into..." #7 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 23:08 pm   Expression: "I am come safe into..."		  
Molly wrote:
However, once in a while I am visited by a "self-proclaimed expert.


The sentiment doesn't seem archaic, IMO, but the grammar does.[/quote]

1. They are all gone into the world of light.
2. I am visited by an expert.
3. I was visited by an expert.

#2 is a normal passive structure: "visit" here is transitive.

In #1, however, "go" is intransitive.

The two structures are therefore not the same.

(Cf. #3; a past passive is more usual than a present passive, which may be why #2 sounds "archaic" to you.)

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Expression: "I am come safe into..." #8 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 23:17 pm   Expression: "I am come safe into..."		  
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The two structures are therefore not the same.


Indeed not.
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