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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:46 am  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

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ancestors who were hunted down and taken to the USA

I would have thought that most of those whose ancestors were taken to the USA still live in the USA.

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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:21 am  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

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I would have thought that most of those whose ancestors were taken to the USA still live in the USA.

And?

Are you in need of the word "descendents" in that sentence?
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:55 am  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

In other words, if you were of Nigerian ancestry, and had not been born in the USA, it would be unlikely that your ancestors had been taken to the USA.

How was Angwe affected by the slave trade, out of interest?

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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:05 pm  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

Would you like to make a thread of your own to discuss the history of the slave trade and Africa?

The question for this thread is above. Haven't seen you respond to it as yet.
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:22 pm  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

It seems a little odd to disown your own subject:

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If you tell me that you can empathise with my ancestors who were hunted down and taken to the USA, should I tell you it's impossible for you to do so?

But I won't press you.

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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Sat Jun 07, 2008 15:45 pm  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

The subject was being used for a specific point. If you can tell me what your questions have to do with the use of sympathy, empathy, respect, compassion, etc., we can go on.

And, as you seem to be so continually interested in my life, background, language and langauge use, colour, gender, etc., why not set up a thread about it?
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Mon Jun 09, 2008 18:01 pm  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

Yeah, then maybe we can get back to whether a person can kill a fish out of "respect".....and whether that's a correct choice words.....not necessarily THE correct word choice; rather simply A correct choice.
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Mon Jun 09, 2008 18:08 pm  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

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rather simply A correct choice.

For me it can be that.
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Mon Jun 09, 2008 18:20 pm  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

Okay. Here's the synopsis, Bayman. Only two native speakers have answered you, me and MrPedantic. I'm the only one who actually went about answering your question. Molly is not a native speaker of English, or at least claims not to be. (There is conjecture among some here that "she" is actually a British man posing as a Nigerian woman, but of course, we can't know that for sure, so we have to take "her" word for it that "she" is a non-native speaker of English.)

So here is the synopsis from the only native English speaker (a linguist with a graduate degree) who has answered your question:

If you go according to one of the definitions of "respect" in the Oxford American Dictionary ("due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others"), then we can say that we kill a fish out of respect, because you're doing it out of due regard for its feelings. However, I don't find this definition in the Merriam-Webster dictionary, the American Heritage dictionary or any other English dictionary, including the Oxford tome of British English that I have. So it's a little iffy.

If you don't want to choose a still iffy usage of a word, then it's better to say you kill the fish immediately out of "compassion" or "mercy".

The option "empathy" that was given is not good, because empathy implies that one knows what the fish feels like, and no human knows the feeling of being yanked out of water by a hook in the mouth and being unable to breathe in open air instead of in water. You can use "sympathy", though.

So there's the general rundown.
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Mon Jun 09, 2008 23:34 pm  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

bayman wrote:
If somebody says they have respect for a live fish by killing it quickly after catching it, and before putting it in a cooler of ice, is that proper use of the word "respect"?

1. I have respect for the fish: I killed it quickly.
2. I have respect for the fish: I killed it slowly and painfully.

I think in some cultural contexts, #1 would make sense; in some, perhaps, #2; in others, neither.

I'm reminded of Hemingway's Old Man and the Sea; you could say that the old man "respects" the fish, even though his purpose is to catch and kill it:

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Then he began to pity the great fish that he had hooked. He is wonderful and strange and who knows how old he is, he thought. Never have I had such a strong fish nor one who acted so strangely. Perhaps he is too wise to jump. He could ruin me by jumping or by a wild rush. But perhaps he has been hooked many times before and he knows that this is how he should make his fight. He cannot know that it is only one man against him, or that it is an old man.

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bayman wrote:
then maybe we can get back to whether a person can kill a fish out of "respect"

Apologies for the earlier detour.
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Mon Jun 09, 2008 23:54 pm  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

(There is conjecture among some here that "she" is actually a British man posing as a Nigerian woman, but of course, we can't know that for sure, so we have to take "her" word for it that "she" is a non-native speaker of English.)

I see you too have gone "Baa-baa!" and followed Mr P-astor.
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Tue Jun 10, 2008 0:09 am  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

So here is the synopsis from the only native English speaker (a linguist with a graduate degree) who has answered your question:

So it's the linguists we have to believe in, right?

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The option "empathy" that was given is not good, because empathy implies that one knows what the fish feels like, and no human knows the feeling of being yanked out of water by a hook in the mouth and being unable to breathe in open air instead of in water.

There you go with your amateur psychologising again. If YOU'VE never known pain that was inflicted by others, Jamie, and never experienced near suffocation, then YOU will never understand why I would choose to use "empathy" above. Speak with weight about your own experiences, but tread softly when you want to determine the experiences of others.

BTW, all, Jamie is referring to the lightweight version of "empathy" here. It seems he hasn't looked deeper into the use/application and manifestations of empathy.
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Tue Jun 10, 2008 0:12 am  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

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I think in some cultural contexts, #1 would make sense; in some, perhaps, #2; in others, neither.

And in a Southern England context?
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Tue Jun 10, 2008 0:30 am  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

Hey, Jamie, all, do you think animals have the cognitive capacity to put themselves in our place?
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Is this proper use of the word "respect"? Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:06 am  Is this proper use of the word "respect"?
 

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I think in some cultural contexts, #1 would make sense; in some, perhaps, #2; in others, neither.

And in a Southern England context?

I have seen some very unusual threads on the subject of "Respect". I'm not sure there would be a consensus.

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