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#2 (permalink) Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:04 am Usage of "the common man" |
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| 'to see and hear his leaders' suggests singular noun be the subject. |
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#3 (permalink) Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:23 am Usage of "the common man" |
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| "The common man" means something like "the average person" or "the ordinary person". We use the singular in these expressions, but they're meant collectively. |
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#4 (permalink) Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:36 am Usage of "the common man" |
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Like 'everyone'.  |
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#5 (permalink) Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:23 pm Usage of "the common man" |
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| Is 'the common man' something like 'the average Joe'? |
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#6 (permalink) Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:32 pm Usage of "the common man" |
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He is indeed. But the expression 'the common man' is more standard. I'd prefer 'he is an ordinary person' or 'he is a normal guy' since the word common has a slight derogatory connotation. _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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#7 (permalink) Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:40 pm Usage of "the common man" |
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| How about other choices for the original such as: common folk, commoner, commonalty, commons, etc. to avoid the gender. (Of course 'man' could be good enough to mean 'person'). |
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#8 (permalink) Sat Jun 07, 2008 13:02 pm Usage of "the common man" |
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| Ralf wrote: |
| He is indeed. But the expression 'the common man' is more standard. I'd prefer 'he is an ordinary person' or 'he is a normal guy' since the word common has a slight derogatory connotation. |
I don't think "common" has a derogatory connotation in the US in the phrase "the common man". In fact, it sounds a tiny bit respectful to me. Maybe it's because we're so far from monarchy. |
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#10 (permalink) Sat Jun 07, 2008 19:09 pm Usage of "the common man" |
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| nessie wrote: |
| Thanks all, but I still wonder why "the" is used here. There's no definite meaning who that man is, right? So why don't we use "common men" instead? I think it will make more sense... |
It's because we're not talking about people together in massive groups, but about all people as individuals. |
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#12 (permalink) Sun Jun 08, 2008 23:06 pm Usage of "the common man" |
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If you said "common men", that would mean the entire mass of ordinary people. We imagine thousands and thousands of people who are all ordinary.
When we hear "the common man", we think of one average individual who is representative of all people of his type. Sometimes in slang we refer to "the common man" as "Joe Average". |
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#14 (permalink) Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:17 am Usage of "the common man" |
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We use the in academic or formal language, mainly to describe typical characteristics. We always use a singular verb: The seagull is a scavenging bird. (I think it's something like this.) And I agree with Jamie, that we imagine one person, not a whole group in general. Though it's up to you how to express the same idea in your utterance. _________________ I am an incurable optimist. |
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#15 (permalink) Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:50 am Usage of "the common man" |
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| Nessie, whether or not you've seen this usage before is immaterial. It's very common. However, you can choose to have your readers imagine all people of a given type en masse, or you can choose to have them imagine one representative person. |
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