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 Mon Jun 09, 2008 15:57 pm Do you like to know where products come from? |
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Here i found this article
in summary,you can find the origin country of the manufacturer in the first three digit of the barcode on the product. |
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 18:18 pm Do you like to know where products come from? |
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| I like to know that my iyan and isu come from Nigeria. |
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 18:32 pm Do you like to know where products come from? |
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How juvenile. |
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 18:36 pm Do you like to know where products come from? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | How juvenile. |
Tell the writers: info@emmatom.com.au
They'd call it wry. |
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 18:49 pm Do you like to know where products come from? |
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I like to know where my fertlilizer comes from:
American chemical company sold 3,000 tons of fertilizer to the Bangladesh government, but 1,000 tons of ash from copper smelting furnaces was mixed into the fertilizer before it was shipped. U.S. officials verified that this altered fertilizer contained dangerous levels of lead and cadmium.
http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/index.php/egj/article/view/2565/2523
And are the parts in blue true?
Fresh Air from WHYY, November 26, 2007 · Investigative reporter Mark Schapiro explains in a new book that toxic chemicals exist in many of the products we handle every day — agents that can cause cancer, genetic damage and birth defects, lacing everything from our gadgets to our toys to our beauty products.
And unlike the European Union, the U.S. doesn't require businesses to minimize them — or even to list them , so consumers can evaluate the risks. Schapiro argues that that policy isn't just bad for public health: In an increasingly green economy, he says, American businesses stand to get shut out of a huge market.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16616951
What is one to think or do when a product says "Made in the USA"¿ |
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 19:25 pm Do you like to know where products come from? |
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| Quote: | And unlike the European Union, the U.S. doesn't require businesses to minimize them — or even to list them , so consumers can evaluate the risks.
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It's a canard, Molly. Basically a lie.
| Quote: | Who must comply with the Toxic Substances Control Act?
All manufacturers (importers), processors, distributors, and users of chemical substances in the United States may be subject to TSCA reporting, recordkeeping and testing requirements. TSCA primarily falls under SIC Codes 20-39 (Manufacturing). Typical types of Industry and sectors covered under TSCA, include companies that are engaged in chemical production and importation, petroleum refining, paper production, and micro-electronics manufacturing.Sectors include: organics, inorganics, plastics, and chemical preparations. |
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/civil/tsca/tscaenfstatreq.html
| Quote: | | TSCA Section 12 : Generally exempts any chemical substance, mixture or article manufactured, processed, or distributed solely for export from the United States from complying with the TSCA provisions. However, an exporter is required to notify EPA when he or she is exporting a substance that is subject to EPA regulatory actions under TSCA and EPA must notify the government of the notifying country that there is data available or that a rule, order, action or relief exists. |
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/civil/tsca/tscaenfprog.html
If any of the story is true (and I have my doubts, considering its source), it wasn't due to lack of US regulation, but either violation of the law by an individual corporation (possible but less probable) or corruption among the inspection and enforcement authorities in Bangladesh (highly probable).
You need to find better-quality sources.
Additionally, it's well known that the European Union tends to follow whatever the greenies' eco scare du jour is. If some scientist stuffed a laboratory rat with a pound of granola and killed it, and the greenies got hysterical about it, the EU would ban granola. As has been proven over time, many of the substances that the eco fascists get hysterical about, after much more testing, turn out not to be harmful. Sometimes the greenies recommend alternatives that turn out to be more harmful than the substances they want to ban.
Keep in mind that organizations like Greenpeace are not run by scientists or even by scientifically literate people.
And none of what I've just said applies to lead, of course. |
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 23:38 pm Do you like to know where products come from? |
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| Quote: | | If any of the story is true (and I have my doubts, considering its source), it wasn't due to lack of US regulation, but either violation of the law by an individual corporation (possible but less probable) or corruption among the inspection and enforcement authorities in Bangladesh (highly probable). |
So no one Stateside was involved or responsible, right?
| Quote: | | or corruption among the inspection and enforcement authorities in Bangladesh (highly probable). |
Not sure what you mean there. Do you mean the inspection and enforcement authorities in Bangladesh went to the USA, bought fertilizer, and then added 1,000 tons of ash from copper smelting furnaces before it was shipped?
| Quote: | | Sometimes the greenies recommend alternatives that turn out to be more harmful than the substances they want to ban. |
Do you have any examples of such?
| Quote: | | And none of what I've just said applies to lead, of course. |
What do you mean? How does lead fit into the picture? |
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 23:51 pm Do you like to know where products come from? |
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I want to know where my personal care products are coming from:
DEA, TEA, MEA - Diethanolamine (DEA), triethanolamine (TEA), and monoethanolamine (MEA) are hormone disruptors. They are also known to combine with nitrates to form cancer-causing nitrosamines. If a product contains nitrites (used as a preservative or present as a contaminant not listed on labels) a chemical reaction can occur either during manufacturing or after a product is made. There is no way to know which products contain nitrosamines because government does not require manufacturers to disclose this information on the label.
A 1997 study by the U.S. National Toxicology Program found that these compounds themselves might also be carcinogenic. Repeated skin application of DEA was found to cause liver and kidney damage in animals. The study also discovered that when absorbed through the skin, DEA accumulated in organs. TEA may also cause contact dermatitis in some individuals.
Continues here: http://www.lesstoxicguide.ca/index.asp?fetch=personal |
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| Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:28 am Do you like to know where products come from? |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | If any of the story is true (and I have my doubts, considering its source), it wasn't due to lack of US regulation, but either violation of the law by an individual corporation (possible but less probable) or corruption among the inspection and enforcement authorities in Bangladesh (highly probable). |
So no one Stateside was involved or responsible, right? |
Someone might have been, and someone might not have been. It's also possible that Shapiro's assertions were a canard or some kind of deliberate disinformation. Activists and investigative reporters have been known to make whole careers and reputations for themselves by playing Chicken Little.
| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | or corruption among the inspection and enforcement authorities in Bangladesh (highly probable). |
Not sure what you mean there. Do you mean the inspection and enforcement authorities in Bangladesh went to the USA, bought fertilizer, and then added 1,000 tons of ash from copper smelting furnaces before it was shipped? |
Now your imagination's really running wild! I'm saying that the US government requires companies exporting goods that violate the EPA standards to report to both Uncle Sam and to the government of the country to which the goods are being exported. It's famously easy to grease bureaucrats' palms in countries like Bangladesh, so the contaminated goods could just have been waved through. This could have been done by the US company (in which case CEOs can go to prison), or it's also possible (more probable, in fact) that someone in Bangladesh who had money on the line, or some relative involved, pulled some strings and got the goods let in.
Or the story could very well be a total canard.
| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | Sometimes the greenies recommend alternatives that turn out to be more harmful than the substances they want to ban. |
Do you have any examples of such? |
Oh, Alar, sodium cyclamate, calcium cyclamate, various so-called "frankenfoods", and to some extent even DDT, when used correctly. There's a whole never-ending list of scares that turned out not to be true.
| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | And none of what I've just said applies to lead, of course. |
What do you mean? How does lead fit into the picture? |
You didn't read the articles you linked to, obviously. |
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| Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:16 am Do you like to know where products come from? |
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| Quote: | | Someone might have been, and someone might not have been. It's also possible that Shapiro's assertions were a canard or some kind of deliberate disinformation. Activists and investigative reporters have been known to make whole careers and reputations for themselves by playing Chicken Little. |
Well I guess anything's possible, Jamie. It's just possible it was an act of God, the Taliban, or feminists wanting to stick it to American men once again. More interesting is your unwilingness to accept that anything bad or underhand happens in the good 'ole USA concerning white American men and their institutions. Most of your threads seem to point the finger elsewhere.
| Quote: | | There's a whole never-ending list of scares that turned out not to be true. |
And the list of ones that did? See, your posts are, to my mind, somewhat irresponsible. You always underplay the dangers of certain things when it comes to blaming US business for underhand or irresponsible, corrupt acts, but you are oh so ready to point the finger at foreign shores and businesses. Why is that?
| Quote: | | You didn't read the articles you linked to, obviously. |
I wanted to know why you had omitted lead from the discussion. |
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| Tue Jun 10, 2008 13:41 pm Do you like to know where products come from? |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | Someone might have been, and someone might not have been. It's also possible that Shapiro's assertions were a canard or some kind of deliberate disinformation. Activists and investigative reporters have been known to make whole careers and reputations for themselves by playing Chicken Little. |
Well I guess anything's possible, Jamie. It's just possible it was an act of God, the Taliban, or feminists wanting to stick it to American men once again. More interesting is your unwilingness to accept that anything bad or underhand happens in the good 'ole USA concerning white American men and their institutions. Most of your threads seem to point the finger elsewhere. |
You're being ridiculous again. IF the incident actually happened (and that's truly an if, when it comes to investigative journalists, particularly those who report for organs like NPR and Mother Jones), obviously somebody would have been responsible for it. More than likely, a whole chain of people would have been responsible for it. However, I don't notice them naming any names, not even the name of the manufacturer, so the story is not traceable, and it could easily be folklore. In fact, the responsible party could have been someone within the country itself, and it's even possible the products didn't come from the United States at all, but that someone reflexively blamed sabotage by "the Americans" to deflect blame from himself. This is done very frequently to explain everything from slow Internet connection speeds in Greece all the way to high unemployment in Egypt. (The only group used for scapegoating more than "the Americans" is "the Jews".) So a report that tells anti-American stories that incriminate the nation but cite no specifics is suspect. How long did that story go around about McDonald's cutting down the Brazilian rainforest to raise beef before it was factually debunked in court?
I have never refused to accept that anything bad and underhanded can happen in the US. I'm simply not gullible and don't believe everything I read. The real question is why you accept any incriminating report about the US, without any skepticism at all! It feeds into your pre-existing anti-Americanism, and so you're unwilling to consider the reliability of the source, previous reports that turned out to be false, or possible alternative explanations. You don't even need specifics so that you can verify the information in other sources.
The fact that those reports already contained one documentable lie -- that the US doesn't restrict the levels of toxic substances in products -- should have made you skeptical about the whole thing. It took me a few seconds to find the US regulations. Am I supposed to believe that someone claiming to be an "investigative reporter" or an "academic" couldn't, in all sincerity and with all due diligence, find any US regulations restricting the use of toxic substances?
| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | There's a whole never-ending list of scares that turned out not to be true. |
And the list of ones that did? |
Well, that's very easy. That's the list of toxic substances that the US government restricts or prevents from being used in products. However, not all the substances in those regulations are actually dangerous. Some are put on the list pending further research, and every so often research shows that they're not dangerous as previously thought.
As for your story about nitrosamines, I've been hearing that one since the 1970s in relation to hotdogs and beer. With the way Americans consume hotdogs and beer, 30 years later, cancer should be rampant here, and Americans should be dropping like flies. But we're not.
| Molly wrote: | | I wanted to know why you had omitted lead from the discussion. |
I didn't omit lead from the discussion. I simply omitted it from my remarks about phony eco scares, because lead has actually been proven to be a toxic substance. So worries about lead are not sensationalistic or misinformed. |
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| Tue Jun 10, 2008 14:01 pm Do you like to know where products come from? |
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| Quote: | | In fact, the responsible party could have been someone within the country itself, and it's even possible the products didn't come from the United States at all, but that someone reflexively blamed sabotage by "the Americans" to deflect blame from himself. |
Wow! You've really got it bad, haven't you?
| Quote: | | This is done very frequently to explain everything from slow Internet connection speeds in Greece all the way to high unemployment in Egypt. |
| Quote: | | Maybe, but YOU spend most of YOUR here time picking out the sins of all apart from those of WASP-heterosexual- male-Republicans. Why is that? Marketing that squeaky-clean image again? |
| Quote: | | I'm simply not gullible and don't believe everything I read. |
Unless it's about Muslims, feminists, gays, blacks, leftists and so on.
| Quote: | | I'm simply not gullible and don't believe everything I read. The real question is why you accept any incriminating report about the US, without any skepticism at all! |
You'll have to point out to me just where I did that.
| Quote: | | With the way Americans consume hotdogs and beer, 30 years later, cancer should be rampant here, and Americans should be dropping like flies. But we're not. |
No comment. |
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