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do you think the fundamental difference -- the root difference -- between those who espouse free enterprise and those who espouse socialism ... is that free enterprisers believe in personal responsibility and socialists don't?
oes it really just boil down to that issue?
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| #63 (permalink) Wed Jun 11, 2008 16:36 pm Are people guilty for the sins of their ancestors? |
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| But there's plenty of opportunity here, and really no reason for an able-bodied/minded person not to be able to at least secure a job. |
Is it enough just to secure a job? Just any job? |
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| #64 (permalink) Wed Jun 11, 2008 16:37 pm Are people guilty for the sins of their ancestors? |
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| do you think the fundamental difference -- the root difference -- between those who espouse free enterprise and those who espouse socialism ... is that free enterprisers believe in personal responsibility and socialists don't? |
I believe that those who write such questions only just passed "Politics" in high-school and then studied no further. |
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| #65 (permalink) Wed Jun 11, 2008 16:40 pm Are people guilty for the sins of their ancestors? |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
do you think the fundamental difference -- the root difference -- between those who espouse free enterprise and those who espouse socialism ... is that free enterprisers believe in personal responsibility and socialists don't?
oes it really just boil down to that issue? |
In my opinion, yes. But you'll also observe that most people who espouse socialism feel there should be no consequences to anything anyone does. They also largely think that people are not responsible for their own behavior and decisions, and that those are almost all due to "outside forces" or "illness". Socialists also have an element of elitism, in that they think people of their class are more capable of making decisions for the ordinary riff-raff than the riff-raff are for themselves. This partly explains the Democrats' conviction that poor black people can't choose the best place to send their kids to school and can't be trusted with a tuition voucher.
I think this entry from the blog "Stuff White People Like" explains a lot of it quite well.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/10/62-knowing-whats-best-for-poor-people/ |
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| #66 (permalink) Wed Jun 11, 2008 16:55 pm Are people guilty for the sins of their ancestors? |
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| Molly wrote: |
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| But there's plenty of opportunity here, and really no reason for an able-bodied/minded person not to be able to at least secure a job. |
Is it enough just to secure a job? Just any job? |
Yes, at the beginning it's enough, if you're a diligent, honest worker. Few good workers stay at McDonald's for very long. Almost all of them advance on to something else within a few months, or at most a year.
Come to think of it, the bad workers don't stay at McDonald's very long either!  The unskilled guy who yells nonstop about being exploited and underpaid, and takes it out on the customers, usually gets fired pretty soon. The difference is that he doesn't usually advance as fast as the good worker who'd kind to people. |
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| #67 (permalink) Wed Jun 11, 2008 17:01 pm Are people guilty for the sins of their ancestors? |
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Molly
While I'd like to be CEO of a company, I'm not going to start at that position.
Everyone has to start somewhere -- get his foot in the door, so to speak -- to have a chance of advancing to a better job.
As for political education, I did take a Poli Sci course during my undergrad years. I learned a lot, but avoided being brainwashed (U of Wisconsin is generally fairly liberal/leftist in its teaching).
And at any rate, I said (or meant to say) "fundamental reason" -- not the only possible reason why someone would choose socialism, necessarily.
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| #68 (permalink) Thu Jun 12, 2008 0:47 am Are people guilty for the sins of their ancestors? |
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Hey, Jamie, beware, Mr P may be about ready to ask you for the names and addresses of all your third party witnesses:
Mr P wrote, to me:
"Here, however, you present a third party as a witness. Now anyone can say "X runs an ESL school, and X says Y"; but if you provide some corroborative detail, the witness will become more credible."
Then again, maybe he'll turn a blind eye in your case. |
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| #69 (permalink) Thu Jun 12, 2008 20:43 pm Are people guilty for the sins of their ancestors? |
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| Germans born in the 1950s, '60s, '70s and later have trouble in various parts of the world because many people in other countries blame them for the Nazi genocide and World War II, even though they weren't even born yet when those things happened. |
The genocide and World War II might have been initiated and orchestrated by the Nazis but the German people as a nation didn't do enough to prevent these things. What exactly would I have done if I had lived at that time? That's a tough question to answer. How much responsibility do you have for the 'sins' of your government or parts of your society?
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