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The present participle is appropriate here. The sentence can also read:
Read aloud the following dialogue, while paying attention to the sound /tr/ and /dr/.
But we often leave out the word "while".
It wouldn't be grammatical if you changed the verb form to "pay", unless you preceded it with "and" or used "pay" to begin a new imperative sentence. |
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:41 am Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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Yes, this is also possible:
"Read aloud the following dialogue, and (in doing so (,)) pay attention to the sound /tr/ and /dr/." |
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| Tue Jun 10, 2008 18:23 pm Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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Hi Molly, why "in doing so" and not "on doing so"?
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| Tue Jun 10, 2008 18:26 pm Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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| nessie wrote: | | Hi Molly, why "in doing so" and not "on doing so"? |
Prepositions are unpredictable, and we simply say "in" in that phrase.
Be aware, however, that the phrase "in doing so" would not be included in those instructions, which is why Molly put it in brackets. |
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| Tue Jun 10, 2008 18:28 pm Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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| nessie wrote: | Hi Molly, why "in doing so" and not "on doing so"?
Many thanks
Nessie |
I imagine both are OK. "With in doing so" the speaker probably sees the action as a period (durative) in time and with "on doing so" as a point in time.
in doing so = in/during doing that period
on doing so = on the point/at that point
IMO
Could we use either here?
"Kuhn started his academic career as a physicist and then turned his attention to history of science. In/On doing so, he found that his preconceptions about the nature of science were shattered." |
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| Tue Jun 10, 2008 21:31 pm Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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| nessie wrote: | Hi Molly, why "in doing so" and not "on doing so"?
Many thanks
Nessie |
Hello Nessie,
"In doing so" implies "while doing so". "On doing so" would imply "at that point in time", as M. says.
The latter would sound odd, in the context of "reading a dialogue", since that doesn't imply a "point in time".
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| Wed Jun 11, 2008 0:05 am Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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| Quote: | | The latter would sound odd, in the context of "reading a dialogue", since that doesn't imply a "point in time". |
For whom does it not imply that? "He read the dialogue" can certainly be perceived as a punctual. And "on doing/reading that ..." can also have the punctual meaning of "as a result of having read that".
"On reading Berwick's letter, he at once appointed me one of his aides-de-camp.
http://infomotions.com/etexts/gutenberg/dirs/1/8/3/4/18349/18349.htm
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Reaux was reluctant to commit his agency's resources to uranium-related health hazards because the cost seemed open-ended. But on reading Payne's findings, he recommended that the health service "get involved in determining if there are contaminated water sites in Cameron …
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-navajo20nov20,0,6106722.story?page=4 |
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| Wed Jun 11, 2008 0:45 am Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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If that were the case, it would not make sense to say "pay attention to the the sound /tr/ and /dr/".
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| Wed Jun 11, 2008 0:52 am Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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| MrPedantic wrote: | If that were the case, it would not make sense to say "pay attention to the the sound /tr/ and /dr/".
MrP |
If you say so, Mr P. |
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| Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:02 am Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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| Molly wrote: | | MrPedantic wrote: | If that were the case, it would not make sense to say "pay attention to the the sound /tr/ and /dr/".
MrP |
Of course it could make sense.
"Read the dialogue and then after having done so/on doing so go back and pay attention to ..." |
Well, I don't find that meaning in it. But if your native-speaker intuition tells you it's a possibility, I'll leave you to it.
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| Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:04 am Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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| Quote: | | But if your native-speaker intuition tells you it's a possibility, I'll leave you to it. |
The child in you comes out at this time of night, right? Do you think anyone is really interested in your sniping?
| Quote: | | Well, I don't find that meaning in it. |
Your proficiency in the language is island bound, right? |
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| Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:14 am Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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Well, since you've now deleted this comment from your earlier post:
| Quote: | Of course it could make sense.
"Read the dialogue and then after having done so/on doing so go back and pay attention to ..."
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you presumably no longer agree with it. So we are in accord.
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| Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:15 am Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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| MrPedantic wrote: | you presumably no longer agree with it. So we are in accord.
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In your dreams. |
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| Wed Jun 11, 2008 17:43 pm Is this sentence ok? (Read aloud the following dialogue...) |
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Thank you very much, everybody 
Now let me try making some of my own examples and please give them a judge:
IN:
- In making the cakes, I put salt instead of sugar into the flour
- In buying the clothes at the mall, she came across him
- Don't talk in eating!
ON:
- On arriving at the airport, I remembered I had left my purse at home
- Sarah, on finishing that report, come to see me right away
=> And so, whether we say "in + doing sth" or "on + doing sth" depends on the verbs? (which express the idea of "during that time" or "at that point"?)
Regards
Nessie.
P.S: Is the use of "judge" in my sentence right or wrong? |
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