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| Molly wrote: | Most of the people who "have trouble" with me are native-speakers who get p*ssed off when any nonnative questions their "authority".
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That would only be a reasonable assumption if all those native speakers accepted that you were non-native.
For instance, you've lobbed the odd snippet of entertaining invective my way, from time to time; and I certainly don't think you're non-native, as this thread proves.
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| Mon Jun 23, 2008 0:22 am Calling forum members by their names? |
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| Quote: | | That would only be a reasonable assumption if all those native speakers accepted that you were non-native. |
Well, I guess it makes it easier for them to assume I'm native. Who the hell wants nonnatives questioning native "authority", eh? |
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| Mon Jun 23, 2008 0:35 am Calling forum members by their names? |
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I would say that native speakers often change or refine their position, in response to non-native questioning.
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| Mon Jun 23, 2008 0:36 am Calling forum members by their names? |
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| On the level of pedagogical grammar, yes, but beyond that... |
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| Mon Jun 23, 2008 0:43 am Calling forum members by their names? |
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| Molly wrote: | On the level of pedagogical grammar, yes
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I think on questions of interpretation too.
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| Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:05 am Calling forum members by their names? |
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| Go think, if it makes you happy. |
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| Tue Jun 24, 2008 15:52 pm Calling forum members by their names? |
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molly, what are "nonnatives"?
(i'm pronouncing it "NAHN-uh-tihvz")
Don't forget the hyphen! Non-natives!
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| Tue Jun 24, 2008 15:53 pm Calling forum members by their names? |
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| prezbucky wrote: | molly, what are "nonnatives"?
(i'm pronouncing it "NAHN-uh-tihvz")
Don't forget the hyphen! Non-natives!
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Why would one need a hypen? |
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| Tue Jun 24, 2008 20:05 pm Calling forum members by their names? |
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Indeed. Why would one need a hyphen? 
| Molly wrote: | | In what context would a non-native ESL student say to an ESL teacher: |
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I'm not sure whether there is any universal agreement that 'nonnative' doesn't need a hyphen, but you will find it as an unhyphenated adjective in Webster's. The Cambridge Dictionary, for example, lists many "non-" words (i.e. with hyphen).
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| Tue Jun 24, 2008 20:52 pm Calling forum members by their names? |
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...because without it your word is ambiguous. What is "nonnative" (non-a-tive)?
With the hyphen you're clearly saying "someone who is not a native" -- non-native.
There are such words in which the hyphen is not necessary, but in this case it really does help IMO. |
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| Tue Jun 24, 2008 20:54 pm Calling forum members by their names? |
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Okay, Amy, then let's use it for disambiguation's sake! Employ the hyphen for peace of mind!
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| Tue Jun 24, 2008 20:56 pm Calling forum members by their names? |
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check it out -- here's one for which the hyphen actually might make an huge difference in meaning:
antifreeze
Antifreeze is a product used to keep engines from freezing.
Meanwhile, anti-freeze is the state of being against "freeze", whatever that is. lol
"I'm pro-melt."
"Like, totally. I'm anti-freeze."
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| Tue Jun 24, 2008 20:59 pm Calling forum members by their names? |
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| How about antinative/anti-native, Prez? |
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| Tue Jun 24, 2008 21:02 pm Calling forum members by their names? |
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