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Attaching the negative. #16 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:17 am   Attaching the negative.
 

1. Jamie says: "Or blacks".

2. Molly says: "Covered here: or anyone else who is out of favour at a given time"

3. Jamie says: "I was talking about: anyone who is out of favor at a given time"

i.e. the same as Molly.

4. Amy quite reasonably points out: "You're arguing with yourself again, Molly".

5. Molly demands indignantly: "Really? So tell us why Jamie wrote or blacks here?"

i.e. first, Jamie's comment is "covered" by Molly's comment (see #2); but then, somehow, it's something quite different (see #5).

Which I think rather neatly proves Amy's point.

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Attaching the negative. #17 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:27 am   Attaching the negative.
 

Are you looking for moderator status here, Mr P-reacher?

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5. Molly demands indignantly: "Really? So tell us why Jamie wrote or blacks here?"


Try "Jamie questions foolishly: "Or blacks".

Naa, you couldn't bring yesel to do that, now could ya, Mr P.
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Attaching the negative. #18 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:06 am   Attaching the negative.
 

You've already nonchalantly agreed that Jamie's "Or blacks" is "covered" by your earlier formulation:

Molly wrote:
Jamie (K) wrote:
Molly wrote:
Catering to Americans, or anyone else who is out of favour at a given time, is not always good for business, Torsten.

Or blacks! Would you agree?


Covered here:
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or anyone else who is out of favour at a given time




Therefore you have no grounds for your later objection, unless you now disagree with your earlier post.

All the best,

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Attaching the negative. #19 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:39 am   Attaching the negative.
 

MrPedantic wrote:
Therefore you have no grounds for your later objection, unless you now disagree with your earlier post.

MrP


Are you debating with yourself again, Mr P?
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Attaching the negative. #20 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 14:49 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

Does anyone here actually ever debate English grammar, or is this simply a forum for nit-picking each other's posts and trying for a pertual game of one-upsmanship?

Wouldn't learers of English who come here for enlightenment be better served with a discussion of how the first sentence was ambiguous and how to resolve the ambiguity than this tit-for-tat and name-calling? I'm appalled.
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Attaching the negative. #21 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 15:00 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

Barb_D wrote:
Does anyone here actually ever debate English grammar, or is this simply a forum for nit-picking each other's posts and trying for a pertual game of one-upsmanship?

Wouldn't learers of English who come here for enlightenment be better served with a discussion of how the first sentence was ambiguous and how to resolve the ambiguity than this tit-for-tat and name-calling? I'm appalled.

You're right, but this is one of those wild Internet forums where people post what they want. You'll find there's a pattern to who creates the most antagonism, and this person has a great knack for deliberately eliciting emotional reactions. At some sites, a moderator might delete that person's posts and things would simmer down, but this is one of those forums that's about "freedom", and the moderators are very hands off.

You'll also notice, though, that if the person ignores the irrelevant posts, he or she nearly always gets a solid answer to the question. That's part of the skill of navigating some Internet forums.

A certain person is going to post an antagonistic response to this explanation. Pay attention to who it is, and you'll start to understand the current dynamics of the forum. (It wasn't always like this.)
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Attaching the negative. #22 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 15:12 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

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Does anyone here actually ever debate English grammar, or is this simply a forum for nit-picking each other's posts and trying for a pertual game of one-upsmanship?


Well you've only been here a couple of days, so I might be difficult for you to judge.
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Attaching the negative. #23 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 15:14 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

However, having read through the first page of threads, I see a common theme. Of course, few are so blind as though who will not see.
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Attaching the negative. #24 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 15:16 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

My prediction came true.
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Attaching the negative. #25 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 15:19 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

Barb_D wrote:
However, having read through the first page of threads, I see a common theme. Of course, few are so blind as though who will not see.


Welcome to the forum. Where are you from, Barb B?
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Attaching the negative. #26 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 15:20 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

Jamie, so as not to be exactly what I just said shouldn't be here, I should not have responded at all. Be assured, it's obvious to even the most casual observer where the isues lie. And now, I promise, I won't respond to this thread again unless someone actually has a problem with some of the grammar issues raised.
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Attaching the negative. #27 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 15:22 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

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You'll find there's a pattern to who creates the most antagonism, and this person has a great knack for deliberately eliciting emotional reactions.


You shouldn't talk that way about Mr P. And that schoolyard "She/He does it more than I do" attitude will get you no Brownie points with "new" members.
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Attaching the negative. #28 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 15:26 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

Jamie's on his "I'm all innocent" ruse.
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Attaching the negative. #29 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 17:40 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

My prediction came true.
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Attaching the negative. #30 (permalink) Sun Jun 15, 2008 17:46 pm   Attaching the negative.
 

Molly wrote:
Quote:
Does anyone here actually ever debate English grammar, or is this simply a forum for nit-picking each other's posts and trying for a pertual game of one-upsmanship?


Well you've only been here a couple of days, so I might be difficult for you to judge.


:!:

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